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To: roadcat
So you know, and no one else, including the experts blogging out there,

Chuckle!
For a guy that claiam to have worked in IT for..what was it, 50 years(yeah right. If you've worked in IT for 50 years, I am Mother Theresa too. You are a clueless as a worm! LOL!), you don't seem to know much do ya?
It's called SPECS for the Surface talet, that were relsaed by Microsoft themselves, and it states:

Windows RT
OS: Windows RT
Weight: 676 g
Thickness: 9.3 mm
Display: 10.6” ClearType HD Display
Battery: 31.5 W-h
Ports: microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2×2 MIMO antennae
Features: Office Home & Student 2013 RT, Touch Cover, Type Cover, VaporMg Case & Stand
Possible configurations: 32 GB, 64 GB

Windows 8 Pro
OS: Windows 8 Pro
Weight: 903 g
Thickness: 13.5 mm
Display: 10.6” ClearType Full HD Display
Battery: 42 W-h
Ports: microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort Video, 2×2 MIMO antennae
Features: Touch Cover, Type Cover, Pen with Palm Block, VaporMg Case & Stand
Possible configurations: 64 GB, 128 GB
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2012/06/19/here-are-the-specs-of-microsofts-surface-tablets/

https://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/about.aspx

Now what you sould e looking at is the FEATRURES list. In addition to the Touch Cover, Type Cover, Pen with Palm Block, VaporMg Case & Stand, you will notice that the Windows RT version has Office Home & Student 2013 RT listed, whereas the Pro version DOES NOT.
Why?
Because Microsoft made it clear that while the RT version will ship with Office Home & Student 2013 RT included, the Pro version, won't. You are going to have to pay for it if you want one.
In effect, everything Microsoft has listed as FEATURES, comes already bundled with the Surface tablet. What is not listed, you gotta get for yourself. Get it, Oh Dumb One?

107 posted on 06/28/2012 6:56:31 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
For a guy that claiam to have worked in IT for..what was it, 50 years(yeah right. If you've worked in IT for 50 years, I am Mother Theresa too. You are a clueless as a worm! LOL!), you don't seem to know much do ya?

I know far more than you. I'm also smarter. I'm using products and talking about their features. You're looking at a sales brochure for a product not yet released, and talking about how great the ride feels. In your dreams. When Microsoft displays the Surface in their stores for the general public to touch and use, only then will I know if the ride is great or not.

And I didn't say I worked in IT for 50 years. You are simply full of crap, with your lies again. I said I've "worked with computers for nearly 50 years now (started in the mid-1960s)". I had a fascination with electronics while in elementary school, building my own radios and gadgets, including building my own analog computer with potentiometers and switches, and was one of a few elementary students allowed to be taught in electronics labs alongside much older high school students. My adult brother-in-law was currently working for EDS on mainframe computers, so I had an early exposure to computing. I did not begin my formal work in IT and computers until 1971. I still have paper-tape punched rolls containing my programs from those early days.

So, Mother Theresa, are you feeling like the worm you are?

110 posted on 06/28/2012 8:21:18 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: SmokingJoe; roadcat
Features: Office Home & Student 2013 RT, Touch Cover, Type Cover, VaporMg Case & Stand

Joe, NOWHERE does it say that the Surface COMES WITH all of that... these are merely features. Do you expect us to believe that Microsoft is going to ship both of these products with TWO keyboard covers???? In the presentation they said that the Type covers and Touch covers were options for the purchaser to choose.

My understanding has always been that options are purchased separately! Do you expect Microsoft to have bundled versions of each of these with some bundles with Type covers in Pink, White, black, etc. . . and some bundles with Touch covers? It would be a stocking nightmare for retailers!

I am a businessman. I would set this up so that a customer buys the basic unit... and then buys the accessories he wants to go with it. NOT force everyone to buy everything with every Surface sold. Most people won't need the Pen with Palm block, for example. It would go into a drawer, never to be used. Some would prefer to just have the basic tablet, no keyboards at all. It IS about choice, isn't it?

But, bottom line, Joe... Microsoft is a business. They will be looking to maximize profits. Selling the accessories AS accessories will do that. Giving them away unnecessarily, will not.

113 posted on 06/28/2012 9:02:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SmokingJoe; roadcat
in fact, Joe, MICROSOFT itself denies this "bundling" of everything you are claiming... this Surface Specs link provides "Features and OPTIONS" (emphasis mine) and it has your list for each of the models. That's all that is there.

OPTIONS, Joe... options. Words mean things in the real world, Joe. That's where I and Roadcat live. Realville.

"Options" equal "choices" which WILL, as I said, be sold separately!

115 posted on 06/28/2012 9:17:25 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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