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O’s ‘Real’ secret
NY Post ^ | June 21, 2012 | RICH LOWRY

Posted on 06/22/2012 11:39:41 AM PDT by neverdem

Pity lead House GOP investigator Rep. Darrell Issa of California. It’s his misfortune that he isn’t looking into matters about which the Obama administration can talk freely — namely, all its covert national-security programs.

If Justice Department documents that Issa's committee seeks from Attorney General Eric Holder had been the subject of a top-secret meeting in the White House Situation Room, their contents already would’ve been splashed across the media. Issa could read the A-1 New York Times story and be done with it.

But the Holder documents are an entirely different matter. They relate to the bizarrely misconceived Operation Fast and Furious, which allowed guns purchased from US shops to fall into the hands of Mexican drug gangs on the theory that . . . well, it's not clear exactly what the theory was. Somehow, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives thought that letting 2,000 guns “walk” into the arsenals of bad actors with no means of tracking them would be a devastating blow against gun-trafficking.

The cone of silence has slammed shut on the latest batch of Fast and Furious documents subpoenaed by Issa. When it’s a secret, high-tech program to disrupt Iran's nuclear program, administration officials are chatty and expansive; when it’s documents that could further embarrass Holder, their rule is “loose lips sink ships.” President Obama is making a dubious...

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From the start, Holder's Justice Department hasn't been able to keep its story straight on Fast and Furious, although it’s always insisted that top officials had no prior knowledge of it. In a February 2011 letter, it told Congress that the ATF made “every effort” to interdict the guns before they got into Mexico (wrong) and that it hadn't “‘sanctioned’ or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons” to suspicious people (false)...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; murdergate; obama
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To: TigersEye

“The real question is would Romney allow prosecutions under his administration. I’m not hopeful about that.”

If he did not, it would follow the pattern of new Potus shutting the door on the past.

If his main tasks are to improve our economy and keep us safe, it might be more wise to avoid the distraction.

Bush didn’t continue pursuit of Clinton and his cronnies.


21 posted on 06/22/2012 3:25:24 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

I would see that as nothing more than a continuation of the corruption and a stamp of approval for it.


22 posted on 06/22/2012 3:32:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
The real question is would Romney allow prosecutions under his administration. I'm not hopeful about that.

The elites play hugball among themselves and fob other people off with anything the elites think they'll believe.

When it was time to prosecute Slick, Dubya sent Rove out to hand us some bullshine about not wanting to let Slick upstage The President's agenda with a bunch of courtroom histrionics and sucking all the air out of the room, mediawise. (Oh, yeah --- can't let that precious "in" with Media go!)

23 posted on 06/22/2012 5:21:10 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Uncle Miltie
Obama and Holder and (tons of our elected leaders) got caught because some undercover DEA agents got in a battle with some undercover FBI agents using guns that ATF agents forced gunshops owners to sell to undercover CIA agents who were 'gun mules', and 2 Border Patrol Agents got caught in the crossfire.

Arizona is the new 'corridor' for all illegal trafficking which will be controlled by (and provide funds to) our government, Mexico's government, organized crime (cartels), and a string of politicians willing to take bribes.

They even have signs up in Arizona declaring it the 'new corridor' and Warn US citizens to STAY OUT.

24 posted on 06/22/2012 5:28:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: twister881
The real secret is what Newsweak knows, that Bathhouse Barry actually *is* a down-low "bottom" bi-sexual:

What is the more significant fact is that so many in Media worship him for it and grovel before his perfumed-and-anointed herm, because they're gay themselves and have been stealthily but steadily running "normal" straight people out of Media for 25 or 30 years now.

The propaganda orgy over Philadelphia coming out at the same time as the Mathew Shepard story was almost 20 years ago now -- 1994.

25 posted on 06/22/2012 5:40:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: twister881

...And Holder is 0bama’s Stedman..


26 posted on 06/22/2012 6:49:43 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Absolutely correct. The Evil One as much as said so, when he said he was working on gun control "under the radar".

Creating a synthetic crisis as an excuse to take rights away from an entire nation.

It's been done before.

Google "Reichstag fire"

27 posted on 06/22/2012 6:50:20 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 06/22/2012 9:08:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s pretty much what I expect too.


29 posted on 06/22/2012 10:38:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: unique1

Here’s a start for you:
http://news.investors.com/article/615871/201206221823/fast-and-furious-different-than-wide-receiver.htm?p=2


30 posted on 06/22/2012 10:55:37 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: TigersEye

Article I read said the locks on their SUV “apparently malfunctioned allowing easy access for the attackers”


31 posted on 06/22/2012 10:58:07 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
Forgot the link Family of Jaime Zapata files claims.
32 posted on 06/22/2012 11:00:48 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
Zapata wrote a report on F & F in August 2010: Sipsey Street Exclusive: Investigators discover I.C.E. Report of Investigation on seizure of Fast & Furious weapons in Texas in August 2010 SIGNED BY JAIME ZAPATA!

Congressional investigators permitted to view Department of Homeland Security documents related to the Fast and Furious operation have located and seen an Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Report of Investigation (ROI) from August 2010 describing 80 weapons seized in an arms smuggling interdiction between Phoenix, Arizona and San Antonio, Texas. Of these weapons, the majority (approximately 50) were noted to have come from Operation Fast & Furious in Arizona, purchased by Uriel Patino and Jacob Chambers. The ROI was written and signed by Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent Jaime Zapata, who was shot dead in an ambush at a fake roadblock in San Luis Potosí, Mexico on 15 February 2011. At the time of the report, Agent Zapata was assigned to the Laredo office.

33 posted on 06/22/2012 11:08:07 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
The door locks didn't malfunction they unlock when the transmission is put in park. It's a GM "safety feature."

Armored SUV could not protect U.S. agents in Mexico

Forced off the road in a well-coordinated ambush, surrounded by drug cartel gunmen brandishing AK-47s, Zapata and his partner, Victor Avila, rolled to a stop. Zapata put the vehicle in park.

The door locks popped open.

That terrifying sound — a quiet click — set into motion events that remain under investigation. When Zapata needed it most, the Suburban’s elaborate armoring was rendered worthless by a consumer-friendly automatic setting useful for family vacations and hurried commuters but not for U.S. agents driving through a red zone in Mexico.


34 posted on 06/22/2012 11:24:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks.

I bet there’s some modifications & retrofitting since then, at least I hope so.


35 posted on 06/22/2012 11:36:56 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: TigersEye

I heard an audio tape from CBS reporter Sheryl Atkinson which was a Conversation between an ATF or FBI agent talking with a Gun Dealer where there was a Discussion about a Third Gun Used in that Killing,The statement was Made that if the third gun was found that would create a real Problem and the Agent said dont worry that Gun would Never be found,dont worry.


36 posted on 06/23/2012 5:18:49 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: unique1
Question - I’ve often heard that there were similar programs under the Bush Administration but it appears that no guns actually got to Mexico under those programs - perhaps they were effective/controlled programs to sting the buyers. Do you or anyone posting know if this is true?
According to Rush, the Bush Administration projects to which F & F has tendentiously been compared differed in two very minor respects:
  1. the Bush Administration coordinated its program with the Mexican government whereas the Obama Administration didn't, and

  2. the weapons in the Bush Administration “bugged” the weapons it used to actively try to track where the guns went, and interdict their use in lawless activities south of the border. Whereas the Obama Administration actively prevented anyone from tracking the F & F guns.
Other than that, not too much difference between the two . . .

</sarcasm>
The Bush Administration discontinued its program when the bad guys learned how to defeat the tracking devices the Feds had secreted in the guns. The Obama Adminstration didn’t even try to track theirs.
IOW, the Bushies were trying something tricky, and it didn’t work so they quit. The Obamites were trying something tricky, too - but the joke was on the American - and Mexican - people.
Speaking of the Mexicans who were affected by F & F weapons, Mexicans, in Mexico, don’t matter to liberals. Let one cross into Arizona, tho, and suddenly they are “hispanics,” and their rights are paramount. So instead of referring to the people killed in Mexico by F&F weapons as “Mexicans" we should emphasize their humanity calling them “hispanics."

37 posted on 06/23/2012 6:55:59 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: 1066AD

I wouldn’t even want that in a family car.


38 posted on 06/23/2012 8:02:22 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ballplayer

Aren’t those FedMob LEAs wonderful? That’s like the steel clad front door from David Koresh’s Waco “compound.” Just disappeared from a locked evidence storage locker. How do you just lose an 80” X 36” X 1 3/4” door?


39 posted on 06/23/2012 8:09:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: unique1
More links in this post about Wide Receiver.
40 posted on 06/23/2012 8:13:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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