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To: livius
Another poster on another site said that the collapse is inevitable regardless of which party wins this election.

I read a few comments like those. Many in the Greece government have a great affinity towards Marxism. Coalitions will have to be formed -- and that is the problem.

True solutions cannot be realized with coalition building. The far-left party will likely come in 2nd or 3rd. They will not be willing to support reforms needed to get Greece back onto a strong economic footing. They are against strong cost-cutting measures.

With Greece, and likely Spain/Italy next, we are witnessing the last gasps of Socialism's death grip. True reform will not come from a governing coalition.

True reform will come when the inevitable collapse happens and sweeps aside the economic controls and policies that have made Greece a basket case.

A good sign that he collapse is sooner than later is the fact that bartering is sprouting up all over Greece. People are voting with their dollars and that is a good sign. This will bring needed benefits to the participants and put more pressure on the government.

This will help the Greeks get back to understanding the benefits of individual effort and the rewards that follow. That will help hopefully install some added distrust of government (which many already have)

108 posted on 06/17/2012 3:11:53 PM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88
I'm not sure anything will make the Greeks realistic. I know they have had a horrible history, but they can't blame everything on the Turks.

One of the great things about the US is that we do NOT have a parliamentary system. This "coalition-building" stuff prevents anything from happening, ever. I have always thought that one of the things most of the EU nations needed was a reform of their system.

The parliamentary system works (sort of) in England, which was its source, but in the rest of Europe, it prevents any serious or radical change. It has been one of Spain's big problems, since the two major parties have been at the mercy of the tiny nationalist parties in order to govern. The result was that these regions ended up collecting a fortune in government subsidies (a polite word for pay-offs and bribery) and actually became a major factor in destroying the Spnish economy. The Spanish government announced less than a month ago that it was cutting off the lavish subsidies to the regions, and there has been a lot of hysteria since then.

There is rioting going on right now in the coal mining districts of Northern Spain (which were a hotbed of radical Marxism back in the 1930s) because of the loss of government subsidies. The union miners, obviously trained in the techniques of the nearby Pais Vasco, have been bringing out shoulder-held grenade launchers and firing on the police all day.

Naturally, this isn't being reported in the US press. I'm sure similar things are happening in Greece.

115 posted on 06/17/2012 4:06:49 PM PDT by livius
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