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To: MortMan

My problem is we’re blown off without even having a shot at it. Let us try. If we don’t make it, we don’t make it but don’t go pushing us off because we’re women. I’m a pilot. I fly jets. I had a bf who was a pilot (is a a pilot). I waxed his butt so many times when we flew air combat sim’s in real planes it wasn’t funny. We’re pulling almost 9g’s and he couldn’t take it. So, some people can make it and some can’t. We shouldn’t be discounted because of our sex. Just saying.


36 posted on 06/13/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

As for combat pilots - I don’t know. I just don’t have the personal knowledge to make form an informed judgment on the matter.

If all goes well in a sortie, the pilots return to a (relatively) safe place, where they recuperate and plan the next mission.

There are some psychological issues that arise if a woman is captured - and I’m speaking of the nation, and fellow soldiers/airmen/marines/seamen/etc. Remember the female transportation spec4 during the Iraq war?

But a combat pilot role is different than an infantry or armor role, where physical strength and stamina are specific reasons for survival or not. And not just the individual, but the whole unit is imperiled.

Thank you for discussing this with me reasonably, and I hope I have risen to that same standard.


48 posted on 06/13/2012 4:51:41 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: SkyDancer

City governments waste a fortune in expensive, dedicated efforts to get some unqualified female into their fire departments, the military doesn’t have the time or the need to waste time and energy searching for a possible exception who can squeak through, it doesn’t help us at all, it only hurts us.

There is no reason to search high and low for a way to get a single female mixed into the supply needs and social cohesion of a unit.


73 posted on 06/13/2012 5:20:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: SkyDancer
Skydancer
I don't mean to burst your bubble but at your stature it ain't going to happen. A man of that size would not make it. Have you ever jumped out of a plane with 80 LBS of gear on a line under you a full hydration pack on your back, weapon, ammo, gear vest, and an 80+ Lb dog in your arms. When you hit the ground your life will depend on getting it all sorted out, your chute gathered up and stowed, getting all of your gear on your back and getting to cover a couple hundred yards away. Then the hump starts. With all your gear, ballistic vest, weapon and ammo you are now at more than 140% of your body weight and you may be in a firefight at every step. If you slow the unit down someone may die. Everyone else has their own crap to carry so you are not going to get any help. And one more thing. That K-9 is a point dog you will be walking point looking for IED’s, land mines, trip wires, pit traps, snipers, and ambushes. If you miss something your friends behind you will die. Welcome to reality. I started out in Viet Nam and got out a few months after mogodishu somolia. So tell me all you know about being a ranger. I am also a pilot. I don't fly jets but I fly every week. Brute strength isn't required in a cockpit but is mandatory for SOF Rangers. Retired Ranger
145 posted on 06/13/2012 6:26:48 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: SkyDancer
We shouldn’t be discounted because of our sex.

If you read the posts in this thread, you will see that you are not accurate with this statement. The objections are because it is expected that the standards will be lowered when women are allowed to join.

234 posted on 06/13/2012 10:45:12 PM PDT by JimWayne
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