After reading the thread and paying attention to your posts, I offer the following to you, SkyDancer.
“I waxed his butt so many times when we flew air combat sim’s in real planes it wasn’t funny. We’re pulling almost 9g’s and he couldn’t take it.”
Just a reminder, there are many current and former REAL fighter pilots here on FR, and statements like the above are viewed with amusement—at best.
“Sim’s.” Really? 9G’s? Big whoop. Upper body strength is key to the ability to maneuver your torso to look around while under G. To many women, you included I’ll wager, couldn’t move hardly an inch while at 9G’s.
Regarding your BF, sorry he was such a wimp he couldn’t hack the G’s.
I was a UPT instructor/evaluator pilot for the USAF and every class had a few women in it. The “strongest” woman student pilot was identified and it was agreed by the flight commanders up to the wing commander that if all others washed out, and she (the strongest) could not hack it, she WOULD graduate. Too much politics to deal with if women don’t graduate so efforts were made to pass the “best” if it came down to it.
I was an instructor/evaluator pilot in two fighters (A-10/F-15E), and yes, the same political pressure was on to ensure we had a share of females flying fighters.
We were TOLD just before a female flying fighters arrived she was to be qualified MR ON TIME and upgraded to 2-ship and 4-ship flight lead ON-TIME, as well as become an instructor ON-TIME. So much for merit and skill, let alone standards.
(By the way. . .this much admired first female flying fighters would cry in de-briefs. Debriefs are the real school of hard knocks, no quarter given and you are crushed for every little thing. You better have a strong will and heart and be able to take the pressure. Apparently she could not but by the time she was enroute to the school, it was too late and standards had to be lowered for HER. If any male cried during de-brief during a training mission, he would be ejected from the program. But not her. It is all about lowering standards as many point out. Lowering standards is bad enough, but lowering standards for a select few—women—is worse.)
As other posters stated, this is real-life, fighting to the death we are talking about.
Aggression is not cruelty. Aggression is not meanness. Aggression is innate and part of a fighters (warriors) very being and women, because they do not have the oft-mocked testosterone in their system, they simply don’t have natural aggression. They act, they behave like they think they should act. . .down to the swagger and arrogance that is ever so popular in media.
Thing is, that arrogance and swagger is contained in a fighter squadron because, really, who are you going to impress. . .we ALL are fighter pilots. Banter is rife and ego’s abound for sure, be we have nothing to prove to anybody—we know who we are and what we can do, and unbridled arrogance gets people killed. Confidence keeps them alive.
As I’ve posted before: “Men and women are not the same; they don’t think, act or emote the same. All this nonsense about “same” physical standards is nonsense. What matters is the innate aggression that resides in males (testosterone). Media and other “equal rights” advocates mock it as chest-thumping behavior and they don’t recognize it as warrior behavior. Women can be mean but true aggression is lacking, and after a career in the military I am tired of the empty argument that say, “well, if they can meet the same physical standards. . .”. That is NOT the most important aspect. Natural aggression is. Women in the military ACT like they are all hoorah and aggressive but acting is not being. It is an act. The feminine side is always repressed and hidden in warrior environments, therefore females deny their own femininity when they enter the warrior world. That is not natural.”
I found concerning your Post 96, (flying into a thunderstorm). Your derisive statement about the other pilot being scared when you were at the controls is telling.
First, if he were indeed “scared” then he had a reason beyond the fact you were flying into T-storms—the fact you did not respect the situation made him scared. You see, YOU scared him, not the situation. He was concerned because he respected the situation and you apparently did not.
He had solid airsense and judgment and here you were, appearing unconcerned, not fully appreciating the danger and risks. Yes, he was scared. . .not because of the T-storm but because of YOU.
Second, and this applies to that situation and probably others where you arrogantly feel other pilots were weak or meek, it is clear from your postings you carry a bit of “I’ll-show’em-I’m-just-as-good-as-they-are-maybe-better” attitude. That attitude pushes aside sound judgment and gets people killed.
Real pilots know risks and they know their skills and know when to be concerned. You apparently do not.
So, your bravado statements about waxing someone in simulated BFM/ACM, or your comments about being a steely-eyed cool-under-pressure pilot, and “FAA certified” no less, mean nothing to men who know what flying is all about.
Enjoy your time, be safe and remember the old adage: “There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots.”
First thing is you don’t recognize a joke when you read one. Secondly, it was Air Combat USA out of Fulertn airport. My bf flew 737’s ... always did martini turns. OTT, have a nice day. Turn your sarcasm filter off.
No, wait. Turn your sarcasm filter on ....
In any event those planes do +9, -3 G's. You don't fly that full envelope. It's just what it's capable of and sometimes you almost get up there and do that. Trouble is too many people take things at full value without bothering to ask. I get lots of private mails and we have a pretty fun chat there. They get it, some people don't.
Regards, Janey
That is quite a post, well done.
I have never met a pilot so childlike and detached from truth and reality as this girl.
She seems to have no idea what we are posting to her, the most detailed thoughtful post is responded to as though from a ditzy teen girl. I think she has mental issues and is not playing with a full deck.
Back in the 1980s I was assigned as an NCOIC in charge of a night navigation course when I was a military police platoon sergeant in the Illinois National Guard. It was a relatively simple dead reckoning course consisting of following a series of azimuths for a specified distance, retrieving a specified object at each destination, and returning with them. The battalion commander had ordered every field grade officer to complete the course. One newly commissioned female second LT., a military police platoon leader in our 19-77 TOE military police Company, which amongst other duties was tasked with a light infantry rear area security role refused to take the course. When I asked her why she she did not want to take the course, she told me that she was afraid of the dark. I repeatedly asked her to complete the course and she repeatedly refused to do so. I marked her sheet as a failure to complete the course.
Later the officer in charge of the course called me aside and requested that I give the errant butter bar a passing grade. I refused to do so, citing the fact that this woman was expected to be able to lead her troops into combat, EVEN AT NIGHT. The officer blew his stack and threatened me with disciplinary action for refusing to obey his order. I told him that if he wanted to pass her, that was up to him but I would not do so. He subsequently calmed down and apologized to me explaining that he was under terrific pressure to pass all of the newly acquired women through all the training whether they qualified or not. I sympathized with him because he was actually a pretty good officer, and I was already aware of the background political machinations behind the integration of women into our outfit. I understand that the second lieutenant in question was assigned another administrative position within the battalion
Believe me I understand what you’re talking about.
Great reply at 271. Thanks for you insights and perspective.
As the son of a VMI grad who spent 1955-62 flying F84,86,100 and 101s and myself being raised around 182s to King Airs as dad went thru civilian birds
I applaud your post