In Case You Don't Like Romney... A Challenge To Every FReeper

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[SoConPubbie]

This idea that you aren't going to compromise your pinciples means you should never vote. No one is perfect, no one is totally principled, not even you, no one is even close.

Come on Lakeshark, if we were talking about an actual conservative with "flaws" you might have a point.

We're not.

In Mitt Romney we're talking about a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal, as his own EXTENSIVE record shows him to be.

This isn't just about compromising your principles, but ignoring your God-given conscience, your ethics and your morals.

You would have us vote for a known, documented, serial and constant liar.

A man who constantly practiced "Bearing false witness against his neighbor" while straight out lying about his Progressive Liberal past.

A man who just recently stated that Gays adopting children was the American way.

A man who is responsible for implementing Gay Marriage in MA, even after being warned by conservative leaders and jurists that what he and the Supreme Court were doing was unconstitutional and then he flat out lied about it and is continuing to do that to this day.

A man who implemented Socialized Medicine in MA and falsely claimed it fell under the 10th Amendment.

A man who implemented his own "Assault" Weapons Ban AFTER the federal ban was allowed to expire.

A man who after claiming he had a "Pro-Life" conversion, then went ahead and continued to nominate extremist left-wing, jurists to the bench.

Sorry, but the only way you can with a straight face push a Progressive Liberal loser like Mitt Romney, is to totally forget the only thing we as conservatives have to measure the truthfulness of his current pandering words, his record.

And once his record is stacked up against his current words AND lies, it's like another poster unwittingly replied earlier up-thread, choosing who to vote for between Obama and Mitt is like the difference between choosing Cyanide versus arsenic. They'll both kill you in the end.

[arderkrag]

So long, Romneybot. Here’s hoping more of your ABO comrades-in-arms join your fate soon.

[MindBender26]

No, I didn't lie. Lie requires intent. I was simply wrong.

My error comes from personal experience. I've been in two wars. In the second one, the Brigadier said “As opposed to what you were allowed to due in Vietnam, we really vanquished them this time.

He said it over about 85 enemy corpses.

My apologies. I hope you can understand my error.

[Lakeshark]

Of course Romney's not a conservative. Duh.

I'm going to say this one more time for all of you. Romney isn't a radical, never was, never will be. He's no conservative, but a radical leftist? Come on, get real. The idea that he and his views are identical to Bambi's, admitted by all of you to be the most radical, divisive, destructive president with the most despicable Marxist, anti-American, pro-abort and despicable record ever, is just laughable. He's not even the most left wing governor of Mass. by a long shot.

You all need to grow up and get your heads out of your rear ends. We have (and everyone here admits this) the most destructive administration ever, the most radically left wing, anti-everything we've all ever stood for administration ever and somehow you all want to stick to some idea that your principle won't vote him out and make sure he's elected one more time?

Good lord, you all are insane.

[reaganaut]

It is really sad and strange when a conservative (me) who has been here longer than anybody and who has always been conservative is viciously attacked because she is supporting Romney.

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If you are voting for Romney you are not a conservative, sign up date doesn’t mean much.

[reaganaut]

First, anyone who votes for Romney has not reason.

Second, there is already a list compiled by Anti-freeper Greg West.

Third, there are about 100 on said list.

Fourth, most of us are proud to be on that list.

Fifth, you need a life. You are the type that is dragging the GOP to Hell.

[reaganaut]

I’m thinking Altura is LDS....

[MHGinTN]

Is this about Mormons or MormonISM?

[reaganaut]

The breakaway LDS Sect of mormonism has an organization that compiles lists of and monitors apostates and critics. I cannot recall the name....Any help ?

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That would be the “Strengthening the Members committee” formed before the Satanic Ritual Abuse investigation in the early 1990’s that led to the major changes in the “eternal” LDS temple ceremony.

It also led to the excommunications of the September Six and others.

[arderkrag]

Really? Do you have a link to this list? Want to see if I’m so honored.

[reaganaut]

Neither, just an observation based upon certain comments...

[svcw]

100! Ok, we are going to have to go for a pot luck, not sure if I can do pork ribs and beer for 100 FRs.
;-)

[reaganaut]

Really? Do you have a link to this list? Want to see if I’m so honored.

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I think Grey may have a link. He has done come correction (he had my name spelled wrong and I asked him on one of these threads to please correct it) recently, so your name may be on there.

[reaganaut]

I’ll bring my Tiramisu. ;)

[svcw]

No sweetie, if you beleive Romney is not pro abort, you clearly have not being paying attention (which actually is not a surprise).
Romney is pro homosexual - not even close to conservative.
Romney is pro man made global warming - missed it by a mile.
Romney is pro government mandate - wizzzed by conservatism.
Romney is pro tax the rich - typical liberal bather.
Oh, there’s more but for whatever reason known only to you, you have refused to understand, apparently that Romney is not a conservative, or even a moderate, the most anyone can say is that he is a registered Republican and even that is new to him.

[MHGinTN]

A love for Tiramisu was what prompted the reation of quick peach surprise ... can of sliced peaches, bottom of a bowl filled with crumbled Pecan Sandies, cover the cookie crumbles with peach slices then pour rhe syrup over the mix and top generously with whipped cream. Seved good and cold is the best way.

[MHGinTN]

A love for Tiramisu was what prompted the/my creation of quick peach surprise ... can of sliced peaches, bottom of a bowl filled with crumbled Pecan Sandies, cover the cookie crumbles with peach slices then pour rhe syrup over the mix and top generously with whipped cream. Served good and cold is the best way.

[reaganaut]

Yum, that sounds good!

[Colonel_Flagg]

I say vote for Romney to deny Obama a 2nd term and you say vote for Goode to ensure that he does.

( snip )

Romney is by no means my 1st, 3rd, or even 5th choice. But he is now the only choice that has a chance to remove Obama.

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You've just put your finger on the very crux of what really annoys me about a lot of ABOs.

You insist that conservatives of conscience who vote third party in opposition to Romney are really supporting Obama, but you also claim that your vote for Romney doesn't mean you support him.

There's a phrase for that: it's called dancing and picking the partners. There's also a compound word for that, and the first part is "bull".

[Colofornian]

Re: Romney: ...people will say he’s pro-abortion when he’s not... [Altura]

ALL: This is Altura's "version" of what a "pro-life" candidate looks like!

For those who may not want to wade thru the entire chart (again)...make sure you check out the last row to see what a supposedly "pro-life" Romney told Katie Couric in December '07...over three years after Romney's "altar call" to become a supposed "pro-lifer."

YEAR	Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney	Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life'
Bottom-Line Summary: ANN Romney Lies Thru Her Teeth	Ann Romney, 1994: Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation)	Ann Romney, 2011: In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)
Bottom-Line Summary: Mitt Romney Lies Thru His Teeth	“Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) + ...”my position was effectively pro-choice." (Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007)	So, not only does Ann Romney tell Parade Magazine November 2011 that they've “never changed” re: abortion and that they've “always been pro-life,” but Mitt Romney told Chris Wallace part-way through their 2007 campaign that: “I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice”...This was seven months after he said in January 2007 that he was “always for life.”
Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate	"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy)	"'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"
1994 (Campaign)	"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet”	Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007)
1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001	(a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/ann-romneys-planned-parenthood-donation/">Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts	2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)
2002-2004	“I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again?	Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?)
2005	May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04!	What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine
2006	April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details).	"As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates
Early 2007	On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true?	Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life!
Summer 2007	"I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at '94 & '02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?"	Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = Whatever he was from '70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion 'inlook' or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer?
December 2007 vs. November 2011 (Pro-treating offspring as research refuse late in previous POTUS campaign vs. now claiming 'never changed...always pro-life'	December 4, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." (Source: Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes) Any "inquiring minds" want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions "adopting" embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) -- but then in the very NEXT breath says if a "PARENT" wants to be "pro-choice" (Mitt used the word "decides" which is what "pro-choicers" say they want) "to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable." Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a "parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable..." No??? What's the 'pro-life' difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo's mom&dad "parents" -- but "parents" w/ "research" give-away rights? How bizarre we have such a schizophrenic "candidate!"	In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)