“murders”
hahahahahahah
Velly funny
Deaths, ok, but murder implies innocence and these perps who got killed were not innocent.
Murder has a specific definition, it means the intentional killing of an innocent person.
The left would LOVE for it to be illegal to defend yourself.
I want to know how much money Stand Your Ground laws have saved the states, prison systems, feds, etc. And how many innocent lives have been saved.
I think it should read, “500-700 criminals killed as citizens self-protect, saving the justice system zillions of dollars annually. Second Amendment groups honored.”
Actually, no. That’s not what the study claims.
“In fact, they say the response of criminals to the idea that the victim may be armed is to arm themselves as well, turning what otherwise would have been burglaries and robberies into homicides.”
Not saying I believe in their statistical manipulations; it just helps if we understand what the Left is saying.
This is typical of Leftying lying by misuse of language. Do not think that it is not intentional.
They must have caught some crap for their headline; it now reads “Homicides”, not “Murders”.
OK, I'll take a swing at that pitch.
I'm a common law fan. In fact, I'm fanatical about it, because it incorporates over 1000 years of the study of unchanging human nature.
I can't wrap my head around the APPLICATION of SYG laws. The principle, or concept, is easy to understand - it's just the Castle Doctrine moved to the street.
The problem is that physical engagements that can lead to deadly force happen in lots and lots of ways AWAY from your castle.
To put it simply, if someone kicks in your door at 2am and you kill them, the presumption that you had nothing to do with it (that you have "clean hands") is obvious. Not to say that the law can't ask if, for example, the dead guy is your daughter's boyfriend - but a presumption in your favor, sure.
The common law doctrine outside your castle is "retreat to the wall" - which means, do your best to stay out of trouble, but if trouble follows you, engage your right of self-defense up to and including deadly force.
It seems to me that SYG laws, by taking away "retreat to the wall" not only protect you in the case of unprovoked assault (where conventional self-defense law should work) but also eliminate the "stay out of trouble" part of the common law, which is as wise today as it was in 1066.
I know you waive SYG if you are the aggressor - but what about situations like bar fights and street hassles where Solomon himself can't figure out who did or said what to set it off? I've always been taught, and I teach others, that carrying means you have MORE responsibility to avoid stupid conflicts. It seems to me that SYG weakens this important rule.
Can any Florida FReepers enlighten me about how it actually works?