To: OneWingedShark
I don't agree; I think the parties fielded candidates of questionable qualifications precisely to set precedent for nullifying the NBC clause, and therefore the rest of the Constitution; after all, if the people-as-a-whole do not demand that it be followed then they can literally get away with anything. Case-in-point: TSA screenings, any other place/circumstance and the actions would be considered sexual assault and molestation (and are certainly violative of the 4th Amendment), yet they can do it because only a small group of people so much as squawk. The Republican establishment got behind him in lockstep and agreed to disparage anyone who dared bring the topic up. Bottom line, not too many people care about the enforcement of rules (Laws) they dont like anyways. I think this theory is too conspiracy minded. McCain was not selected by a Cabal, he was simply the least worst candidate after Fred Thompson waited too long (and then didn't try very hard) to get into the contest. All the other choices were even more crappy than McCain. (In my Opinion.) Not a one of them had a better chance than did John McCain, and it was for that reason he won the primaries until he was the nominee.
We ended up with McCain as a result of bad luck mostly. If you disagree, tell me which of the following would have been a better choice than John McCain.
Rudy Giuliani, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Alan Keyes, John McCain, and Fred Thompson. As far as I was concerned, it was Fred Thompson and the Seven Dwarves, with Grumpy being the least worst among the Dwarves.
I have yet to hear anyone tell me which of the candidates we had to chose from (other than Fred Thompson) would have been a better choice than John McCain. We just didn't have a very good pool of candidates.
126 posted on
06/12/2012 12:14:19 PM PDT by
DiogenesLamp
(Partus Sequitur Patrem)
To: DiogenesLamp
We ended up with McCain as a result of bad luck mostly. If you disagree, tell me which of the following would have been a better choice than John McCain.
Rudy Giuliani, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Alan Keyes, John McCain, and Fred Thompson. As far as I was concerned, it was Fred Thompson and the Seven Dwarves, with Grumpy being the least worst among the Dwarves. Given that you've ruled out Thompson, I'd have to say that Keyes, Huckabee, and Paul were better choices than McCain, for different reasons though.
Remember that McCain pulled a dead-parrot of a campaign; anyone showing more spirit would have been a gain -- furthermore, McCain has a history of being compromised, um, I mean "compromising"...
- Keyes would have been an interesting choice on the "social" front, as it would be a direct slap in the face to the "R is for Racist" sort of meme that the media likes to play and would have thrown caltrops onto that aspect of Obama's campeign. Plus I like the idea of stripping my opposition of their weapons before they can use them: in this case the "race card." He seems a solid candidate.
- Huckabee, while more a statist WRT drugs, seems "alrightish" as a candidate; he certainly would have fought had he gotten the nomination instead of McCain.
- Ron Paul would have been a very interesting choice (and would have shown that there is a difference between Republican-party and Democrat-party), certainly in hindsight his fiscal positions would have been worlds better than those instituted by Obama. The thing I am most uneasy about is his position on letting States decide on the legality of abortion, I can however see that this route is likely the most realistic way of going about overturning Roe v. Wade (all a State would have to do is claim the USSC overstepped its bounds in the case, destroying the Citizens's due process in their legislative-bodies and, in effect, forcing them to violate the 14th and 5th amendments.); the stance on foreign policy people bring up is supposed to be mitigated by Congress's involvement in the cabinet confirmation; lastly the War on Drugs is wholly contra-constitutional so I support the stance that it should be ended. Again, solid candidate.
But, in the here and now we have (apparently)
Obama v. Romney
...which ammounts to no choice at all, really. They both ascribe to the same horrid policies, and neither is (IMO) an Natural Born Citizen.
(There is enough questionable material on Obama that non-doubt is simply unreasonable. Romney's father was born in Mexico and not a citizen at the time of Romney's birth, precluding Natural Born Citizenship.)
130 posted on
06/12/2012 1:58:27 PM PDT by
OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
To: DiogenesLamp
Soros could be considered a cabal unto himself but I doubt he’s the lone wolf evil genius sort.
From http://devvy.net/pdf/mar08/stop_mccain_030508.pdf
http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley/Patrick47.htm
“The article, “Influence peddling claims dog
McCain, describes McCains criminal corruption
while on the Senate Commerce Committee for
which McCain should have been removed from
office and prosecuted. During the time this was
going on, McCain was receiving large contributions
to his Reform Institute from socialists George Soros
and Teresa Kerry.
“John McCain helped armed Kosovo Islamic
terrorists. In gratitude the Albanians collected one
million dollars for the McCains presidential
campaign”: February 13, 2008:
http://www.serbianna.com/news/2008/01329.shtml
“He did everything that we asked of him, including
arming the KLA”, said Albanian lobbyist Joe
DioGuardi. The Albanians collected one million
dollars for the presidential campaign of this senator...
It may be that someone on the list of names offered as choices had the same connections as McCain but there is no way I’d agree that McCain was only the result of bad luck.
Unless you mean the kind of bad luck one has in a rigged game.
To: DiogenesLamp
The only one worse than McCain was Romney.
154 posted on
06/13/2012 9:54:46 AM PDT by
W. W. SMITH
(Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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