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To: OneWingedShark
I don't agree; I think the parties fielded candidates of questionable qualifications precisely to set precedent for nullifying the NBC clause, and therefore the rest of the Constitution; after all, if the people-as-a-whole do not demand that it be followed then they can literally get away with anything. Case-in-point: TSA screenings, any other place/circumstance and the actions would be considered sexual assault and molestation (and are certainly violative of the 4th Amendment), yet they can do it because only a small group of people so much as squawk. The Republican establishment got behind him in lockstep and agreed to disparage anyone who dared bring the topic up. Bottom line, not too many people care about the enforcement of rules (Laws) they don’t like anyways.

I think this theory is too conspiracy minded. McCain was not selected by a Cabal, he was simply the least worst candidate after Fred Thompson waited too long (and then didn't try very hard) to get into the contest. All the other choices were even more crappy than McCain. (In my Opinion.) Not a one of them had a better chance than did John McCain, and it was for that reason he won the primaries until he was the nominee.

We ended up with McCain as a result of bad luck mostly. If you disagree, tell me which of the following would have been a better choice than John McCain.

Rudy Giuliani, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Alan Keyes, John McCain, and Fred Thompson. As far as I was concerned, it was Fred Thompson and the Seven Dwarves, with Grumpy being the least worst among the Dwarves.

I have yet to hear anyone tell me which of the candidates we had to chose from (other than Fred Thompson) would have been a better choice than John McCain. We just didn't have a very good pool of candidates.

126 posted on 06/12/2012 12:14:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
We ended up with McCain as a result of bad luck mostly. If you disagree, tell me which of the following would have been a better choice than John McCain.
Rudy Giuliani, Duncan Hunter, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Alan Keyes, John McCain, and Fred Thompson. As far as I was concerned, it was Fred Thompson and the Seven Dwarves, with Grumpy being the least worst among the Dwarves.

Given that you've ruled out Thompson, I'd have to say that Keyes, Huckabee, and Paul were better choices than McCain, for different reasons though.
Remember that McCain pulled a dead-parrot of a campaign; anyone showing more spirit would have been a gain -- furthermore, McCain has a history of being compromised, um, I mean "compromising"...

But, in the here and now we have (apparently)

Obama v. Romney

...which ammounts to no choice at all, really. They both ascribe to the same horrid policies, and neither is (IMO) an Natural Born Citizen.
(There is enough questionable material on Obama that non-doubt is simply unreasonable. Romney's father was born in Mexico and not a citizen at the time of Romney's birth, precluding Natural Born Citizenship.)
130 posted on 06/12/2012 1:58:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Soros could be considered a cabal unto himself but I doubt he’s the lone wolf evil genius sort.

From http://devvy.net/pdf/mar08/stop_mccain_030508.pdf

http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley/Patrick47.htm

“The article, “Influence peddling claims dog
McCain, describes McCain’s criminal corruption
while on the Senate Commerce Committee for
which McCain should have been removed from
office and prosecuted. During the time this was
going on, McCain was receiving large contributions
to his Reform Institute from socialists George Soros
and Teresa Kerry.

“John McCain helped armed Kosovo Islamic
terrorists. In gratitude the Albanians collected one
million dollars for the McCain’s presidential
campaign”: February 13, 2008:

http://www.serbianna.com/news/2008/01329.shtml

“He did everything that we asked of him, including
arming the KLA”, said Albanian lobbyist Joe
DioGuardi. The Albanians collected one million
dollars for the presidential campaign of this senator...

It may be that someone on the list of names offered as choices had the same connections as McCain but there is no way I’d agree that McCain was only the result of bad luck.

Unless you mean the kind of bad luck one has in a rigged game.


132 posted on 06/12/2012 2:07:08 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: DiogenesLamp

The only one worse than McCain was Romney.


154 posted on 06/13/2012 9:54:46 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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