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To: TigersEye

I.e. that the trouble of moles in the CIA would show itself in much more than some otherwise nonsensical operation than F&F. Even as an international public relations ploy to try to grab more guns, it was lame, because it was so obvious that it only happened because simple precautionary measures at the source vendors — don’t sell to somebody who has been marked as a sufficiently bad criminal, or not a citizen — were forcibly bypassed. Any half intelligent international observer would be asking “so what did this exercise prove?” But arming homies would make a whole lot of sense for a mole.


36 posted on 06/06/2012 2:37:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am not at all sure what the heck you were trying to say in that post but I will take a wild stab that you were saying something along the lines that the CIA would not be involved in F&F. I agree. AFAIK they were not involved in F&F at all. They had something else entirely going on.

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

And this...

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

(snip)

“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

More about State Department involvement...

— has sources claiming “Obama’s man in the State Department,” (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.

Steinberg took office as Deputy Secretary of State on January 28, 2009

A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:

Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an “indispensable” partner. “On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution,” she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played “Oscar to Jack Lew’s Felix,” referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obama’s budget director.

Want to read even more about State Dept. involvement? ...

Sipsey Street Exclusive: "In at the beginning." The State Department & the Gunwalker Scandal.

38 posted on 06/06/2012 2:58:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
...because it was so obvious that it only happened because simple precautionary measures at the source vendors — don’t sell to somebody who has been marked as a sufficiently bad criminal, or not a citizen — were forcibly bypassed.

Which would have required FBI assistance because they run the NICs program. Which would have required a sign-off from the DoJ because the FBI can't falsify NICs results without it. Which was not all the FBI was doing as "Money Walker" was their own program. Not sure if the DEA's "Money Walker" schemes were coordinated with the FBI or not.

39 posted on 06/06/2012 3:03:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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