Posted on 06/04/2012 2:40:56 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Zimmerman's defense team will file a motion today for a second bond hearing. While Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that he allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court, the defense will emphasize that in all other regards, Mr. Zimmerman has been forthright and cooperative. He gave several voluntary statements to the police, re-enacted the events for them, gave voice exemplars for comparison and stayed in ongoing contact with the Department of Law Enforcement during his initial stage of being in hiding. He has twice surrendered himself to law enforcement when asked to do so, and this should demonstrate that Mr. Zimmerman is not a flight risk. He has also complied with all conditions of his release, including curfew, keeping in touch with his supervising officers, and maintaining his GPS monitoring, without violation.
The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversations while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website. We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust, and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been distinctly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair.
At the point of the bond hearing, Mr. Zimmerman had been driven from his home and neighborhood, could not go to work, his wife could not go back to a finish her nursing degree, his mother and father had been driven from their home, and he had been thrust into the national spotlight as a racist murderer by factions acting with their own agendas. None of those allegations have been supported by the discovery released to date, yet the hatred continues.
It must be noted that, when attempting to interpret George's actions regarding the funds, that he did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund which is now independently managed.
Of the original $204,000 raised by Mr. Zimmerman's fund, approximately $150,000 was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund. $30,000 was used to make the complicated transition from private life in Sanford, FL to a life in hiding as a defendant in a high-profile court case. The balance of approximately $20,000 was kept liquid to provide living expenses for the first several months as the legal process unfolds.
Since the independently managed Legal Defense Fund was established on May 3, supporters have contributed more than $37,000. Of this amount, $2,000 has been designated for household expenses. Less than $300 has been designated for fund management and fees associated with maintaining the conditions of the bond. None of the funds have yet to be allocated to legal expenses. Neither Mr. Zimmerman or the defense team has direct access to the independently managed Legal Defense Fund.
Which changed on a daily basis, and the amount that was available for use was ANYBODY’s guess... If the judge knew the account was there and was willing to go with the bail amount realizing that nobody knew for sure how much was in there, it was his own darn fault. He could have had them check the amount on the spot if it was that important.
I disagree, Tom was a hero, he offered to help Mayella one time. He offered being a good neighbor. It cost him his life, he had no power, no where to turn to except for putting his trust into his lawyer, Atticus. He lived his life with dignity and belief in the judicial system. And so did the entire black community. He sat in jail with no bond or bail and knowing at any minute he could be lynched before his court date.
How can you possibly put Zimmerman in the same situation?
He has been taken care very well by his supporters.
Zimmerman was sitting in his car, it is very clear by the 911 tapes, he is a very frustrated and angry man.
He gets out of a car swearing and chasing a kid down. BTW, Zimmermam broke all the rules of the neighborhood watch program, doesn’t that bother you? There is no witness to who started the altercation. All we know is Martin was definitely getting the better of Zimmerman. Zimmerman had the gun. Dead men tell no tales. Yes, I believe Zimmerman’s story is self serving. Can you show me where Tom’s story is self serving,and puts him in a situation that he could have walked away from?
First tell me what you have read about the Zimmerman case.
You are aware that Trayvon was stoned, right? With a drug that could very possibly make him belligerent? You are aware that Zimmerman called the police because he wanted THEM to come and deal with the situation, correct? And that the dispatcher told Zimmerman to say if Trayvon did something else? You are aware that Trayvon came BACK to confront Zimmerman, correct? And that his earbuds were in his pocket rather than in his ears, which makes the story of the “girlfriend” (who was NOT his girlfriend and would not speak to anybody in law enforcement except Eric Holder’s people) suspect.
So tell me what it was that you think Zimmerman did that caused Trayvon Martin to come back and confront him instead of going home once Zimmerman was headed back to his truck.
Did Tom’s family have to move because they received so many death threats? Did Tom have media and the opposition lawyer tamper with witnesses? You do realize that Tom was shot because he tried to escape prison, correct? What is heroic about that? If Zimmerman is an untrustworthy villain because he kept his passport at a time when he felt the fix was in for him, then what is Tom for running away from the prison before the system (that you say he trusted so much) could be given a chance to work on appeal?
These stories are VERY, VERY similar.
Tom being alone with a single woman was borrowing trouble. As soon as he realized there weren’t kids running around there like usual, and Mayella said that she had sent the kids off for a treat, Tom should have known he was borrowing trouble just by being there alone with Mayella. He should have left right then and there, and then nothing would have happened. He DID cause the trouble he was in; he should have known he was tempting Mayella. Just like Zimmerman should have known he was angering Trayvon, according to your logic. Just by being there they were both inviting trouble. Tom was a wannabe savior to help the poor little white girl who needed a hero, just like Zimmerman was a wannabe cop to save the neighborhood under attack by young black thugs. Right?
The stories are VERY, VERY similar.
You are aware that Zimmerman was on Trazadone and another med. that I can’t remember. You are aware that Zimmerman had a rap sheet of assault towards a cop. You are aware that a girlfriend filed a restraining order against Zimmerman. You are aware that Zimmerman was turned down by the police academy due to fact he failed the psych. exam. You are aware that Zimmerman left the car to chase Martin. You are aware that the lead homicide detective did not believe Zimmermans story. He called it “contrived.” You are aware that it is only Zimmerman’s word that Martin chased him down. You are aware of many lit. classes I have attended, you are the only person I know of to hold Tom Robinson responsible for his own death. If you are going to hold him resonsible to doing some minor handyman work leading to his death, you should damn well hold Zimmerman responsible for a lot more misdeeds.
[[So tell me what it was that you think Zimmerman did that caused Trayvon Martin to come back and confront him instead of going home once Zimmerman was headed back to his truck.]]
Somethign EVERYONE on the left is refusing to mention is the FACT that if Trayvon had simply walked anotherr 100 yeards or so to hius father’s house, NOTHING w2ould have ever happened- the FACT that trayvon came back to the scene tells me that he thoguht about being followed, and got upset about it and was wantign to teach zimmerman a lesson, so he doubled back aND CONFRONTED zimmerman and criminally assaulted him- trayvon could NOT have assaulted zimerman IF he had simply walked back to his father’s house and gone inside.
From everythign we’re learnign abotu trayvon- he appears to have been a punk with an attitude- and his actiosn that night fit with this conclusion-
As you’ve pointed out george was doing NOTHING wrong by following trayvon- it is not agaisnt hte law to follow someone- Hell, you can even follow someone just inches away if you like- which might be highly annoying to the oen being followed, however, it is NOT agaisnt the law- it is however agaisnt hte law to crinminally strike and beat someone- and it would seem that if someone is goign to try to convict george, they would NEED to have proof it was george who struck the first blow-
Since hte FACTS of the case show a high probability that zim was the one struck, and show that witnesses observed george o nthe bottom getting his head bashed agaisnt hte sideewalk- the only question now becomes is ‘did zim have hte right to use deadly force because he was having his head bashed in as the evidence shows’? Any reasonable jury SHOULD then rule that a person des indeed have the right to defend themselves with deadly force when they feel their life is in iminent danger-
The left desperately NEEDS to divert people’s attention away from the FACT that this altercation turned into a life and death strugglke on zimmerman’s part, and to turn people’s attention away from the FACT that trayvon would be alicve today IF he had just goen back to his father’s house- but he isntead chose unwisely to confront and BEAT zimmerman with obvious intent to kill. The prosecution’s ONLY hope s to try to prove zim was HUNTING trayvon down in order to shoot him- however NONE of the evidence even begins to hint that this might have been the case
you are the only person I know of to hold Tom Robinson responsible for his own death.
You are showing yourself to be allied with the Jackson/Sharpton/Holder lynch mob. You rae a very ugly spectre, bloc. If George Zimmerman is killed in jail, it is people like you who will be at fault for trying so hard to incite this evil with your purposed mischaracterizations. And just so you know, we have a few more just like you working FR presently on the George Zimmerman / Traytable Martin story.
Is this the kind of treatment that you would want for yourself in a similar situation??? why does your hatred of this man continue when all the allegations against him to date have been shown to be untrue???
Zimmerman was sitting in his car, it is very clear by the 911 tapes, he is a very frustrated and angry man.
Are you a psychiatrist???
He gets out of a car swearing and chasing a kid down.
He was doing what the neighborhood watch program instructed him to do -- watch and notify the police. It's called "neighborhood watch" -- watch -- follow with your eyes and feet if necessary. It's not a neighborhood sleep program.
BTW, Zimmermam broke all the rules of the neighborhood watch program, doesn’t that bother you?
All the rules??? Please list all the rules that he broke.
There is no witness to who started the altercation.
That incontrovertible witness called Forensic Evidence tells us that only Martin threw punches that night. Thus if a punch started the altercation, the instigator would have been Martin.
All we know is Martin was definitely getting the better of Zimmerman.
Isn't that enough. When was he going to stop beating him.
At what point when you are getting the better of another person, sitting on top of him, pummelling him with your fists, and bashing his head into the concrete, do you stop and leave him alone??? When you have knocked him senseless with your fists and left him for dead???
Zimmerman had the gun.
And Martin had the fists and was using them with deadly effectiveness. Fists are deadly weapons you know. Martin beat him for over a minute before Zimmerman pulled his gun.
Dead men tell no tales.
The forensic evidence is sure talking but you're not listening to it.
Yes, I believe Zimmerman’s story is self serving.
So then all the wounds on his face and head were self-inflicted????
Can you show me where Tom’s story is self serving,and puts him in a situation that he could have walked away from?
Can you explain to us just how you would walk away from someone sitting on top of you beating you within an inch of your life???? How would you have walked away??? Get real --
I’m saying that neither Tom nor Zimmerman were responsible for the choice of Mayella to try to seduce Tom or the choice of Trayvon to circle back and attack Zimmerman. It is you who are trying to say that Tom is a hero and Zimmerman a villain. I’m saying your logic is inconsistent.
Everything you mention about Zimmerman is moot, given that the injuries to Zimmerman could not have been given to him by himself. We don’t need to psychoanalyze why Tom COULD HAVE raped Mayella, because the evidence indicated that he DIDN’T. He was physically incapable of giving Mayella the injuries she sustained. Likewise, Zimmerman could not have given himself a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his own head.
If Zimmerman had wanted to kill Trayvon in cold blood, as the story goes - why not just shoot him from the start? If Zimmerman struck Trayvon first, then why were there no injuries on Trayvon whatsoever? If Zimmerman pushed Trayvon while Trayvon was on the phone, as the non-girlfriend claimed (to only friendly questioners), then why was the headset that she claimed fell to the ground as a result of that push actually found inside Trayvon’s hoodie instead of on the ground like she said?
So what are you claiming is the criminal act that Zimmerman committed, and what is your proof that stands up against the physical evidence I mentioned in the previous 2 paragraphs?
Even if Zimmerman had started the fight, how is that different than the street fighting that Trayvon is on tape doing? It was Trayvon who was banging Zimmerman’s head on the concrete sidewalk - even though Martin had no injuries. You don’t bang somebody’s head on the sidewalk if they’re holding a gun to you. Martin was doing deadly fighting before the gun even came into the picture. How do you justify that? That’s about like Martin shooting a guy in the back. Zimmerman had given him no injuries - and yet Trayvon was banging Zimmerman’s head on the concrete. Tell me what justified that - how the deadly nature of that fight (BEFORE the gun was even known to exist) was caused by Zimmerman.
Ding, ding, ding - we have a winnah!
So -- you're probably on some prescription drug or if not should be. The judge, prosecutor, and half the lawyers in the court are probably on something as well. So what??? Atleast they were prescribed by a doctor while Martin was self medicating himself with marijuana and other things.
You are aware that Zimmerman had a rap sheet of assault towards a cop.
That was dropped.
You are aware that a girlfriend filed a restraining order against Zimmerman.
Girlfriends do that a lot. Doesn't mean that he did anything wrong.
You are aware that Zimmerman was turned down by the police academy due to fact he failed the psych. exam.
And you know that how???
You are aware that Zimmerman left the car to chase Martin.
And is that a crime especially for a neighborhood watchman?
You are aware that the lead homicide detective did not believe Zimmermans story. He called it “contrived.”
That's not true. You are aware though that he took a lie detector test that night and passed it.
You are aware that it is only Zimmerman’s word that Martin chased him down.
No -- Martin's friend DeeDee in a media interview said otherwise, and then began to flipflop.
If you are going to hold him resonsible to doing some minor handyman work leading to his death, you should damn well hold Zimmerman responsible for a lot more misdeeds.
Uhhhh -- shouldn't you be doing so for Trayvon Martin??? Why does he get a pass in your world???
You don’t know what your talking about, Butter did hold Tom to be responsible for his own demise. Do you even know what we are talking about?
We are not diverted by your bragging on how many literature classes you've attended. we at FR also recognize a sleazy attempt to insult a Lady and twist her words. You're a scummy little person, working to help lynch a man who defended himself when a thug named Traytable, er, Trayvon Martin was committing assault and battery, probably as extreme as attempted murder. You keep trying to interject extraneous crap into the discussion, trying to paint George Zimmerman as a man deserving the lynching your ilk intend. You're just a disgusting agitprop. ... You do realize this is a conservative website, don't you? We don't cotton to lynchings, of any race. Bless your little heart, you seem uncomfortable among conservatives defending George Zimmerman for his self defense. When y'all get you shorts untwisted, y'all come back now, ya heah?
Like it or not Zimmerman has a history of violence, spin it any way you want. He takes psychtropic drugs, and, no not everyone does and these drugs do have side effects. Abuse against woman is serious and should not laughed off like every woman files complaints and they are liars. The neighborhood watch program was very clear from articles I read, you don’t carry a gun, you don’t chase people down, you watch and you report. Simple. The lead investagator wanted manslaughter charges against Zimmerman. He did not believe Zimmerman’s story. The local DA refused. As to the rest, do you even know what book we are talking about?
OK, now I’m laughing. I am a proud conservative,I cast my first vote at 21 for Ronald Reagan because I hated Carter. During 1979-1980, I well remember the gas lines and inflation of 18% I argued with my professors and I was called radical by classmates. So your interpretation of me is pretty funny and my friends will laugh. That being said, I am deeply troubled by Zimmerman and his actions that night. Was Martin a prestine example of a teenager, God no, but did he deserve death? I strongly objected to Zimmerman being compared to Tom from the book that I love and respect. Simply put, that is all that I was saying. There is no comparison.
No, I don't believe you are a concerned citizen, I think you're part of the scum that infect this site periodically to further the democrat agenda sowing division and hate. Run along. We are not impressed.
No, I don't believe you are a concerned citizen, I think you're part of the scum that infect this site periodically to further the democrat agenda sowing division and hate. Run along. We are not impressed.
The FBI knew everything about Zimmerman at the time of the last hearing. There was nothing new. This whole re-arrest was simply timed to cause a distraction from the bad jobs numbers, the European situation and the Wisconsin recall. The Obama administration needed something for people to talk about over the week-end.
You don’t want anyone disagreeing with you is what your saying. You don’t want to hear any other opinions that might challange your beliefs. Its called “groupthink” and that’s a dangerous road to travel down. Its OK to disagree and we can still have basic common beliefs that we share. Trust me, I am not a monster and not scum, bet you would like me if you ever met me.
Have Nice Day
I don't disagree that the judge set bail knowing a donation account existed, but I think he was in fact materially misled. Shellie could have said "last time I looked, it had xx dollars, but I don't know how much it has now." If the amount of money in there was a few thousand dollars, I don't think this is an issue at all. What made it into an issue was that it was over a hundred thousand dollars, Shellie knew it was over a hundred thousand dollars. The court didn't learn the amount until a week later (and the amount didn't cause the judge to increase bond, likely due to the money being sequestered by O'Mara); and he didn't learn that Shellie knew the amount was over a hundred thousand dollars (she knew on April 20) until June 1st. What irked him was the combination of Shellie (and George) awareness, in combination with the substantial amount. On April 20th, the funds had not been sequestered, and Zimmermans knew it was a healthy chunk of money. They did not inform the court.
-- He could have had them check the amount on the spot if it was that important. --
They could have given a more forthcoming answer too. I do agree that more probing questions either would have elicited a suitable answer, or would have gotten Zimmerman's into more trouble. "Is it over ten thousand dollars?" for example, and up the scale.
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