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Just thought I might throw a little fly in the ointment for those who think Green and jobs cannot be combined. Of course the government cannot create real jobs, but corporations focused on high-tech resource efficiency and overcoming current or looming supply shortages most certainly can. To a certain extent some of the high costs of energy are government creations. However, dealing with these restrictions at home is clearly making German companies fit for the future.
1 posted on 06/04/2012 12:12:47 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“....and de-carbonising energy production.”

Yah, good luck with that, while shutting down your nuke plants!

Guess they may get to shiver in the dark while waiting for wind, like Scotland.


2 posted on 06/04/2012 12:39:01 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Um, wow. What a bunch of eco-hobbit blather. Seriously. Subsidized “green energy” companies are a drain, not a plus. If Germany stays this course, they’ll fall, too, until the populace latches onto to some charismatic leader who starts killing large numbers of people wholesale.

Read this book before. It ends poorly for everyone...


4 posted on 06/04/2012 12:52:22 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Oh, and to elaborate: the only economically viable sources of energy neceesary to sustain a real economy are fosil fuels and nuclear. “Greens” oppose both. Thorium reactors show some promise with no negative impacts from the “green” perspective, but greens oppose those, too, because the goal of the “green” leaders is power over others, not the environment.


5 posted on 06/04/2012 12:56:39 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
” high-tech resource efficiency and overcoming current or looming supply shortages”

The only shortages that will exist will be self-imposed.

Germany is refusing, out of pride, abstinence, I don't know, to peruse shale gas and existing resources.

If there really was a need to helter-skelter into a dynamic change, and not AGW driven, I'd agree with you that free enterprise can do it.

But they won't do it alone without government because any current technology is not cost effective. Just like electric cars.

6 posted on 06/04/2012 12:59:55 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

The only way “green” works is if you export manufacturing and switch to a service based economy then tax the hell out of it to subsidize the “green” crap. So what should become obvious to anyone is that doing so does not really reduce carbon output much, it just shifts it to other lesser developed countries. It might even increase carbon output since those lesser developed countries are going to have less advanced infrastructure and power utilities...and more transportation efforts getting the finished goods shipped back to the developed world.

It makes an interesting little social engineering experiment for the ruling elites to play with. But I see no benefit to the planet or to humanity.


19 posted on 06/04/2012 2:05:29 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You are making no friends here & you are changing nobody's points of view.

I suggest that you read How to make friends & Influence People before you continue posting here.
No reply is needed.

30 posted on 06/04/2012 4:19:34 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/738098

What a tangled web “solar” weaves.

This is much akin to “Ethanol” production...dirtier from beginning to end than fossil fuels.


37 posted on 06/04/2012 2:10:57 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Just thought I might throw a little fly in the ointment for those who think Green and jobs cannot be combined. Of course the government cannot create real jobs, but corporations focused on high-tech resource efficiency and overcoming current or looming supply shortages most certainly can. To a certain extent some of the high costs of energy are government creations. However, dealing with these restrictions at home is clearly making German companies fit for the future.

Uh-huh. That's why even the German MSM reports that electricity rates are projected to increase by 70% by 2020 (due to the necessary massive subsidies) when these rates are already at or near the top of rates in the Western world. All this idiocy to achieve the pipe dream of "Energiewende" - to reduce a globally insignificant amount of emission of a benign compound known as CO2, and to destroy the nuclear energy business. Congratulations, chalk up a "win" for the ecofascists! The destruction of any energy-intensive industry (and that's a lot) in Germany by this is a given. Stupid^3

38 posted on 06/04/2012 2:44:47 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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