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To: Carry_Okie; Aria; muir_redwoods

According to Turkish shepherds, three Anatolian Shepherd Dogs are capable of overcoming a pack of wolves and injuring one or two of them. They were bred to leave the herd to go hunt for predators before the predators could attack the flock.

Anatolian Shepherd dogs are used by the Cheetah Conservation Fund. These dogs are bred and then given to the farmers to use in protecting and guarding their livestock from cheetah attacks.

So yeah, I doubt that a pack of yotes would be much of a bother for a couple of them.

41 posted on 06/02/2012 11:38:05 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Jeff Chandler

My comment was directed to a man with one Doberman. One Doberman and three coyotes = one dead Doberman and three well fed coyotes.


45 posted on 06/02/2012 11:49:29 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Jeff Chandler
According to Turkish shepherds, three Anatolian Shepherd Dogs are capable of overcoming a pack of wolves and injuring one or two of them. They were bred to leave the herd to go hunt for predators before the predators could attack the flock.

I take it you don't know much about shepherds. They know better than to employ a strictly defensive predator management strategy. You see, they either hunt, a lot because it takes a lot of hunting and trapping to keep wolf numbers down, or they hire a hunter to do it. It's been that way for thousands of years. The problem is that hunting alone rarely works completely. One can kill 50% of the wolves or coyotes annually and the numbers will remain static; a 70% take is necessary to bring the numbers down (that's according to the preeminent wolf biologist in North America, L. David Mech by the way).

The failure to grasp the numbers is why the Montana and Idaho "wildlife management officials" are still scratching their heads while the wolf numbers grow to proportions that have already been catastrophic to the elk herd. Either raiding dens or poison baits are the only things that truly work. The former is how the first humans on the continent killed off Canis dirus. The latter is how Americans purged the continent of wolves in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries.

There's a shepherd featured in the latest copy of Range Magazine page 38, Pete Arambel, who breeds livestock protection dogs. He uses a combination of breeds with different training and attributes to protect his flocks against increasing numbers of coyotes: border collies for the flock, Great Pyrenees, Kuvasz, Komondor, Maremma, Akbash, Anatolis, and Kangal to circle the flock and provide defense. He crosses them too.

Guess what? It's not enough. He's only barely making it. He's adding the Spanish mastiff. Now he not only faces coyotes, but wolves too, with the prospect of grizzlies to come.

If people allow this problem to go unchecked, the packs will grow and get bolder as they run out of food. I've heard of wolf packs in Russia of over 40 animals. Shepherd dogs would be no match for a coyote pack that big. Nor have you addressed the question of controlling the dogs doing that job in an urban park.

Tell you what: You get out there in a Golden Gate Park full of kids and pet dogs with your killer dog pack and I'll use 1080 baits and we'll see which one of us makes money. My bet is that you won't be able to afford the insurance to even start. Heck, I'll even lace my baits with Ecstasy to make the treatment palatable (it's the way to go!). There is simply no substitute for managing the wildlife. At least they make good fur coats.

48 posted on 06/02/2012 12:15:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo, Hillary! in 2012. It could happen.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Run down; snap neck.

Fast.

Efficient.

Merciless.

Much easier to obtain than Anatolians, too.

74 posted on 06/02/2012 3:09:17 PM PDT by Salamander
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