Posted on 05/31/2012 6:26:26 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
A hearing has been scheduled in a Florida court to allow attorneys representing the White House to support their claim that the term natural born citizen in the U.S. Constitution means something other than the offspring of two American citizens.
Judge Terry Lewis in Leon County has set a hearing for June 18 to consider arguments from both sides of a challenge to Obamas name on the 2012 state election ballot.
Lewis is credited with making crucial rulings in the contested 2000 presidential election, when ultimately a Florida vote recount was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court and George W. Bush was declared the winner.
Attorney Larry Klaymans law firm filed the challenge to Obamas name on the ballot on behalf of Democrat Michael Voeltz, a registered member of the Democrat Party, voter, and taxpayer in Broward County, who was an eligible elector for the Florida Primary of Jan. 31, 2012.
Klayman told WND that during a hearing today on discovery issues in the case, Lewis noted that while Klaymans brief cited a U.S. Supreme Courts decision defining natural born citizen as the offspring of two citizens of the nation, the White Houses arguments provided no citations.
Klayman had cited the U.S. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happersett from 1875.
Lewis ordered further briefing on the issue before the hearing.
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Then why was it used on a U.S. passport application form??
That used to be true.
If you look at the passport article it states, place names and state relationship.
She placed Obama and soebarkah (son of) Lolo Soetoro.
Paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact wording. It is here but I can’t get into the website right now for some reason. webofdeception.com/obamamotherpassports.html
Maybe you're not understanding ... this was a U.S. passport application, not an Indonesian passport application. The person(s) processing it wouldn't likely speak Indonesian. So again, why would she do this on a U.S. passport application if it's not part of how he was being formally identified??
The attorney for the defendant, Obama, states he will not participate or provide subpoenaed material.
The Georgia Secretary of State says such action will be at the attorneys and his clients peril.
The hearing proceeds with the only evidence and testimony presented being against the defendant.
One week later, the Judge finds in favor of the defendant.
Don't get your hopes up.
So he's going after the two parent rule. The sticking point in the definition may be the naturalization period and the status of children born in the country during naturalization because it affects both Rubio and Jindal who were born here during their parents' naturalization. Obama's father on the other hand never naturalized and was always a foreign national.
I don’t. I’m very well aware of the track record of the lack of conviction from the US courts.
Could be... he's a flaming OBot off his medication, and is fearing what Arpaio has on Obama who will expose him around mid-June. So village OBot, Foggy of Fogbow.com, is feeling that his delusional world could be coming to an end.
I felt very alone back in 08 when I realized that Zero was not an NBC. In October of 08 I was hopeful that Congress would do it's duty. See link in comment here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2890122/posts?page=93#93
As time has passed we have been thinking it will break open any day now, and we have been disappointing. But I think we are at a point now where it is simply getting too big to ignore. Millions of Americans now know he is a fraud. Congress may have to deal with this before the election.
“Absent legal discovery of evidence challenging authenticity of either of Barry’s BCs, under the full faith and credit clause, a federal judge would be compelled to accept a certified copy of a BC from HI, either COLB or LFBC...”
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I think that’s correct. But since Hawaiian officials have already said that the data on the COLB and on the LFBC match what’s in their records, it seems to me that the best way to counter that is by coming up with admissible evidence that Pres. Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.
I wonder, is the Arpaio posse working on that?
Where is this passport? I have not seen it.
This is the only one I know of. http://is.gd/NGf7Wd
It reads, amend to include or (exclude) children. She excluded son (Soebarkah) She was not applying for her sons passport renewal. Just hers.
Soe Bar Kah means literally Who is this, but the son of Soetoro. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2728155/posts
“I wonder, is the Arpaio posse working on that?”
Arpaio and Zullo have alluded to “traveling” to numerous locations perhaps including foreign locations in pursuit of evidence.
The problem with foreign birth evidence, such as Kenyan evidence, is that under the rules of evidence a foreign BC must be authenticated by the authorities of the country of birth and testimony of Kenyan officials would be very problematic either way given the traditions of corruption and jockying between pro-Luo and anti-Luo factions.
Or that his masters will be displeased with him for failing to stop the rebels.
But not so much the Canadians, which is the direction I lean.
I’ve seen so many of these subpoenae which are just forms printed out by Taitz. Do we know if the judge actually signed off on this?
Likely not.
“...a foreign BC must be authenticated by the authorities...”
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I agree, and obtaining a valid Kenyan BC might be something that occurs relatively late in the process.
Still, as far as I’m concerned, there are plenty of details yet to be established. I mean, why the assumption that a Kenyan birth must have taken place in Mombassa? Is there reason to believe that, or is it just something someone said that caught on? What about the means of travel in 1961? Can’t any part of the journey be reconstructed?
I know these are tricky details to uncover, but it’s been four years and I’m not aware of any serious effort to do it. If Trump is really interested in putting up money to help Romney, it would be relatively cheap to hire a couple of hot-shot investigators who might finally get somewhere.
If you are suggesting that Soebarkah was not a name but some sort of comment on the form, you are confused. Soebarkah was the Indonesian name for the child Obama. It is common in Indonesia to have a single name.
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