Obama is a mutt - no argument from me, I’d even go further but let me tell you he is a mutt who is a natural born citizen of this country IF his birth certicicate is legitimate.
There are a lot of people on this forum that wish there was a two parent rule but wishing doesn’t make it so and wishing offers no concrete proof and a million words of bullshit doesn’t make it so either.
We are a nation of laws and the SCOTUS has declared that aliens can produce NBC’s. An Arizona court ruled that Obama is a natural born citizen - it’s in writing.
That battle is over. The law has spoken and it is time to obey the law of the land. Got a problem with that?
Any time I have put up proof that this country is based on jus soli, I never get an argument about that. I ALWAYS get a bunch of other crap that is nitpicked from who knows where.
I’ll ask you this and ask for a direct answer.
What did Madison mean when he said: It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”
IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
Sorry, to disagree.
Minor, and other USSC decisions have have consistently defined NBC as ‘born in country to citizen parents.’ That is settled Law in the US. What was left open in Minor was the question of what other qualities of birth resulted in citizenship. (born citizenship, we all know what naturalized citizenship means) Not Natural Born Citizenship, that was understood, but just old plain wrapper citizenship. Simply put, Minor breached the issue of: “Who else BESIDES NBCs are citizens at birth?”
The Justice did list several circumstances that did not meet the NBC standard, but were recognized by various jurisdictions as being citizens at birth. Who is a citizen at birth was a question left open in Minor, but NOT who was an NBC.
Later Wong Kim Arc decision partially answered the open ended question posed in Minor. The Court, using the 14th Amendment, ruled at persons born in the US to parents legaly residing in the US, and in aliegence to it, were to be considered citizens. Not Natural Born Citizens, but citizens none the less. At the same time the cout was careful NOT to create “classes” of citizenship, noting that all citizens shared in the same rights of citizenship.
The qualities of birth that we consider to result in a born citizen has evolved over time, and is in fact still evolving, however, the definition of natural born citizen in it’s historical context has not, and can not change. It is not a matter of everchanging laws that makes this so, and pouriong over and arguing laws and legal decisions will not change the simple intent of the Framers when they used that term in writting Article II of the Constitution.
The logic used in Vittals “Law of Nations” in his use of the term NBC and the importance of those individuals to a nation’s stability and continued existance is as valid today as it was when Vittal wrote those words in 1757, and when the Founders read those very same words and applied them to the eligibility requirements for the highest office in the land.
To try and argue otherwise is just plain wrong.
Yes, Obama is a mutt, as we both agree, so why is he in center ring of the Westminster Dog Show? He hasn’t the Pedigree. Usher??????
Regardless of the arguments here or anywhere else about Obama’s eligibility... Obama himself obviously believes that he has an eligibility problem. Why else would he choose to endanger his presidency by releasing a poorly done forgery.
I have been using photoshop since version 2.5. There are so many problems with the document released that it boggles the mind. If the person responsible has already come to an untimely demise... I would almost have to support Obama on that decision. The person mixed fonts of different resolutions. They didn't try to maintain font spacing. They didn't bother “flattening” the image... in the document released you could still move the seal anywhere you wanted on the page. I could produce a better forgery in the next twenty minutes. How Obama has managed to keep the evidence presented by a legitimate law enforcement agency from being reported by the media is beyond me.
When I asked why they thought Obama claimed to have been born in Kenya for 16 years and through several revisions in the bio from his literary agent... that question was deleted immediately.