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To: New Jersey Realist

Sorry, to disagree.

Minor, and other USSC decisions have have consistently defined NBC as ‘born in country to citizen parents.’ That is settled Law in the US. What was left open in Minor was the question of what other qualities of birth resulted in citizenship. (born citizenship, we all know what naturalized citizenship means) Not Natural Born Citizenship, that was understood, but just old plain wrapper citizenship. Simply put, Minor breached the issue of: “Who else BESIDES NBCs are citizens at birth?”

The Justice did list several circumstances that did not meet the NBC standard, but were recognized by various jurisdictions as being citizens at birth. Who is a citizen at birth was a question left open in Minor, but NOT who was an NBC.

Later Wong Kim Arc decision partially answered the open ended question posed in Minor. The Court, using the 14th Amendment, ruled at persons born in the US to parents legaly residing in the US, and in aliegence to it, were to be considered citizens. Not Natural Born Citizens, but citizens none the less. At the same time the cout was careful NOT to create “classes” of citizenship, noting that all citizens shared in the same rights of citizenship.

The qualities of birth that we consider to result in a born citizen has evolved over time, and is in fact still evolving, however, the definition of natural born citizen in it’s historical context has not, and can not change. It is not a matter of everchanging laws that makes this so, and pouriong over and arguing laws and legal decisions will not change the simple intent of the Framers when they used that term in writting Article II of the Constitution.

The logic used in Vittals “Law of Nations” in his use of the term NBC and the importance of those individuals to a nation’s stability and continued existance is as valid today as it was when Vittal wrote those words in 1757, and when the Founders read those very same words and applied them to the eligibility requirements for the highest office in the land.

To try and argue otherwise is just plain wrong.

Yes, Obama is a mutt, as we both agree, so why is he in center ring of the Westminster Dog Show? He hasn’t the Pedigree. Usher??????


97 posted on 05/30/2012 9:07:01 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Forty-Niner

You say, “Minor, and other USSC decisions have have consistently defined NBC as ‘born in country to citizen parents.’”

A flat out lie! You can’t prove it. Minor just said there was some doubt about a certain class of citizenship but drops it like a hot potato ONLY to be picked up and clarified by a court with more guts.


104 posted on 05/31/2012 5:55:38 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Forty-Niner

“Minor, and other USSC decisions have have consistently defined NBC as ‘born in country to citizen parents.’ That is settled Law in the US. “

Not true. Minor specifically said it wasn’t going to try to resolve the issue. Thus it left it open for WKA to resolve the issue.


106 posted on 05/31/2012 5:57:36 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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