Remembering Jefferson Davis: American Patriot & Southern Hero

Huntington News ^ | May 24, 2012 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

[BigReb555]

Jefferson Finis Davis was born on June 3, 1808, in Christian County later Todd County, in the horse racing (Derby State) of Kentucky.

[Agamemnon]

But unlike many of the following wars, it was a cause fought for freedom as prescribed by the founders of this nation.

The Civil War was Britain's last attempt to get its colonies back through a simple divide and conquer strategy, and Jeff Davis was just the puppet to lead the split.

Recall the trade blockade Lincoln instituted to end British commerce, and the border instigation by Maximilian in Mexico, funded by European money.

Lincoln refused to fight his end of the war by going into debt to European banks. He instituted a temporary income tax and the "Lincoln Greenbacks" aka United States Notes funded the North's end of the war as did utilizing its industrial base.

Victorious in war, reconstruction would be another thing -- Lincoln had a heart for national healing (hence the selection of Johnson of Tennesse over Hamlin of Maine for VP) but others had a heart for exploitation of a decimated South -- ripe for Northern and European investment.

Some thing had to be done to Lincoln -- permanently, to make sure nothing stood in the way of the "Carpetbaggers." Some thought Johnson might return to his Southern roots.

Lincoln was assassinated. Johnson was impeached (not convicted -- missed by 1 vote). US Grant ascended afterward. The rest is history.

FReegards!

[turn_to]

I think the real hero was a piece of property Davis owned named William Jackson. He spied for the Union while being enslaved by Davis as a personal servant and coachman.

“The condition of slavery with us is, in a word, Mr. President, nothing but the form of civil government instituted for a class of people not fit to govern themselves. It is exactly what in every State exists in some form or other. It is just that kind of control which is extended in every northern State over its convicts, its lunatics, its minors, its apprentices. It is but a form of civil government for those who by their nature are not fit to govern themselves. We recognize the fact of the inferiority stamped upon that race of men by the Creator, and from the cradle to the grave, our Government, as a civil institution, marks that inferiority.”

Yeah, that Davis was a great guy!

[MHGinTN]

Looks like Andrew Breitbart!

[rockrr]

Wow, you’re right!

[Yollopoliuhqui]

And the British/European oligarchy is still at it, controlling their empire, not with guns but with City of London finance, a house of cards that is coming down around their and our ears. Their only out at this juncture is the chaos of nuclear war, which they are attempting to engineer via the usual back channel, “invisible hand” means with the help of the marionette in the White House.

[Erasmus]

What brand of SLR were you using?

≤}B^)

[varina davis]

Your hero Lincoln, also suspended habeas corpus, touted the removal of slaves to South America for servitude (before he expediently declared emancipation in CSA states but not Union states), approved the rape and pillage of southern towns and farms by bloodthirsty generals and and consorted with banking and railroad cabals to further decimate the south.

Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason because there was no treason under the law and the precepts of the Constitution, which clearly stated that states rights were preeminent in determining whether or not to abide by the Union.

Lincoln was only a hero to slaves when it became important to secure the blood and treasure of foreign interests to help him achieve victory.

Very few of those who died fighting for the CSA were slaveholders, most, like my people, were cotton farmers who tended their own crops and were fierce, independent descendents of Scottish, Irish and English emigrants.

There is much more to be learned from history than what was/is written by the victors.

[catfish1957]

FreeRepublic: One of the great and continuing battlefields of the Civil War.

Civil war only lasted four years, but has gone on here for more than 10.

[Notary Sojac]

By having bound millions of their fellow human beings in hereditary slavery with no hope of achieving freedom by their own efforts, white Southerners forfeited the right to claim the privileges of freedom for themselves.

[Notary Sojac]

Here is a picture of some American patriots.

Each probably with more patriotism in their thumbnails than in Jeff Davis top to toe.

[Ole Okie]

El cheapo 35mm film point and shoot.

[Agamemnon]

Your hero Lincoln, also suspended habeas corpus,

And FDR interred Japanese and German recently-heritaged Americans in WWII too. It was a time of war, so what's your point?

... touted the removal of slaves to South America for servitude (before he expediently declared emancipation in CSA states but not Union states),

Freed slave repatriation had been planned and discussed for years before the Civil War.

You do realize that it was James Monroe who was instrumental in setting up the nation of Liberia (capital is Monrovia coincidentally) to repatriate freed slaves 40 years before Lincoln was President. (Oh, I see you didn't know that).

Pretty smart for Lincoln to discuss repatriation of freed slaves with the British in advance of the Emancipation Proclamation rather than just freeing them with no action plan thereafter.

You just resent that he freed "your property" knowing he could eventually finish the job in the North after the war. It was a strategically brilliant way to foment insurrection in the South, and it worked.

Your side lost, and in the end that's all that really matters.

... approved the rape and pillage of southern towns and farms by bloodthirsty generals and and consorted with banking and railroad cabals to further decimate the south.

Show me where Lincoln ever approved rape and pillage. That might have been US Grant to some extent since what you describe happened during Reconstruction (to the degree it happened at all) and it was the "cabals" that had no interest in reconciliation with the South -- which is why they were instrumental in offing Lincoln in the first place.

As far as railroads were concerned Union Pacific and Southern Pacific drove the "golden spike" in 1869 when the two companies met their rails -- four years after Lincoln's murder, and it forged a national healing as America expanded West.

I'll bet you still try to pass Confederate $10 bills at the gas station these days too.

Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason because there was no treason under the law and the precepts of the Constitution, which clearly stated that states rights were preeminent in determining whether or not to abide by the Union.

Show me where in the US Constitution that states are allowed to secede from the Union as a legitimate matter of asserting States-rights.

JD wasn't tried for treason, because he couldn't be, but rather because the Nation's post-war healing was far more important than exacting a terminal revenge. He was of more value to keep alive where he could be derided to the day he died for the loss of 400,000 brave Americans.

For all his military genius and accomplishments, Robert E. Lee was reduced to the profession of insurance salesman, and his son became a hotelier, not a military man. US Grant didn't call on his former foe for military advice.

Lincoln was only a hero to slaves when it became important to secure the blood and treasure of foreign interests to help him achieve victory.

What "blood and treasure of foreign interests?" It was the South that traded cotton and farm provisions with the Brits, and it was Lincoln's blockade of such trade that contributed greatly to the defeat of the South through trade strangulation. It was all downhill for the CSA after Gettysburg and Vicksburg.

Of course the Union remembers the atrocity that was Andersonville. It was almost like Patton arriving at Buchenwald. Little wonder that Sherman felt compelled to torch Atlanta.

Very few of those who died fighting for the CSA were slaveholders, most, like my people, were cotton farmers who tended their own crops and were fierce, independent descendents of Scottish, Irish and English emigrants.

Yeah most of your relatives probably came over as indentured servants (i.e., slaves) yourselves in the 1600's and early 1700's. The first black slaves were owned by blacks in Virginia as early as 1640. Anyone who had the money and the property that needed plowing and cotton needing picking owned slaves.

None of your lily white sharecropper relatives did anything to protest the slavers in the South that did own slaves so don't go around patting yourselves on the back. If they'd had the money, your ancestors would have owned slaves too out of necessity. It's just the way thing were done back then. Poverty likely had your ancestors listening to their better angels - because they couldn't afford to do differently.

There is much more to be learned from history than what was/is written by the victors.

The main reason they don't usually have the losers of wars write the the history accounts is because they seldom if ever have their facts straight.

It's also one of the main reasons the losers lose the wars in the first place.

By the way, I one lived in Richmond as I attended and graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University, and worked and lived in Fairfax for a time as well. I love Virginia and applaud the work of Gov. McDonnell. Varina, VA, named after Mrs. Davis is ~ 5 miles east of Richmond down US Rt 5. I know history, and of the CSA prison (dungeon) in Richmond, and I will not whitewash it.

Still I am no less charmed by what VA is today or has been in US History from the founding of Jamestown to the capital of CSA, and to the train station which still stands that JD made his vain attempt to escape from by rail.

I just won't whitewash it or rhapsodize about the good ol' boys sent to die as pawns of a brazen attempt at British recolonization.

FReegards!

[varina davis]

I do feel badly about your distorted views of the War of Northern Aggression. And your condescending attitude doesn’t foster intelligent debate in any case, so I shall leave you to your pseudo intellectual blathering about a subject you really know little about.

Deo Vindice!

[Agamemnon]

And the British/European oligarchy is still at it, controlling their empire, not with guns but with City of London finance, a house of cards that is coming down around their and our ears. Their only out at this juncture is the chaos of nuclear war, which they are attempting to engineer via the usual back channel, “invisible hand” means with the help of the marionette in the White House.

An excellent point and one I make often. The idea of the US fighting 2 World Wars on behalf of the former colonial power that once owned it, and whose banks have used the US (private corporation) Federal Reserve to guarantee their debt - monetizing it through taxation of US citizens, inflation, and deflation of US wealth assets is tantamount to a re-enslavement of the US to European banking elites.

It was used to prop up the USSR with Ex-Im credits etc. until Reagan made the Soviets pay for aid with hard cash. The USSR fell w/o a shot and the rest is history.

In 2001 Bush entered office with greatly declining US deficits (thanks to Republican Congressional restraint)and the trailing ends of the peace dividend and the worry was US economic contraction -- until 9/11.

We're at war again, have been for >10 years. Got $4T in Bush deficits in 8 years and $5T in Obama deficits in 3 and a contracting nation struggling under the weight of it.

Romney, unlike the Bush's and oddly, even Obama is not of the European debt cycle machine. He didn't make his money becoming indebted to and propped up by the Euro-classes and the Soros machine. In that way he is Reaganesque, and the enslavement cabal have much to fear from his Presidency, because his religion demands American ascendancy and supremacy, not indebtedness and decline.

I am not Mormon, just speaking with a knowledge of Mormon philosophical underpinnings, and their general command of business sense and market principles.

I listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's rendition of "The Messiah," because the musicianship is excellent. It won't persuade me to become a Mormon, but I employ it for my listening pleasure.

Same with Romney. I'd employ him for my economic pleasure, because I think he has the possibility of rolling back Obama's mischief.

And as Rush noted yesterday, the guy stays on message.

FReegards!

[Agamemnon]

I do feel badly about your distorted views of the War of Northern Aggression. And your condescending attitude doesn’t foster intelligent debate in any case, so I shall leave you to your pseudo intellectual blathering about a subject you really know little about.

You lost, Varina. You played denial games about who won and who lost the Civil War with yourself all the way up to the day you died in 1906.

Your chosen screen name is apropos.

Only a liberal dissembler would continue to endorse the division of the Union in this day and age.

Live in the present.

Get over it.

FReegards!

[varina davis]

Bless your heart. Hope you recover soon and you have a long, happy and productive life.

[rockrr]

I would love to see evidence that Lincoln “touted the removal of slaves to South America for servitude”. Could you provide a link or reference?

[varina davis]

In 1842 Lincoln married Mary Todd, who came from one of Kentucky’s most prominent slave-holding families.2 While serving as an elected representative in the Illinois legislature, he persuaded his fellow Whigs to support Zachary Taylor, a slave owner, in his successful 1848 bid for the Presidency.3 Lincoln was also a strong supporter of the Illinois law that forbid marriage between whites and blacks.4

“If all earthly power were given me,” said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, “I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land.” After acknowledging that this plan’s “sudden execution is impossible,” he asked whether freed blacks should be made “politically and socially our equals?” “My own feelings will not admit of this,” he said, “and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not ... We can not, then, make them equals.”5

One of Lincoln’s most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.6 In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:

There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...

Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, “must be effected by colonization” of the country’s blacks to a foreign land. “The enterprise is a difficult one,” he acknowledged,

but “where there is a will there is a way,” and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.

To affirm the humanity of blacks, Lincoln continued, was more likely to strengthen public sentiment on behalf of colonization than the Democrats’ efforts to “crush all sympathy for him, and cultivate and excite hatred and disgust against him ...” Resettlement (”colonization”) would not succeed, Lincoln seemed to argue, unless accompanied by humanitarian concern for blacks, and some respect for their rights and abilities. By apparently denying the black person’s humanity, supporters of slavery were laying the groundwork for “the indefinite outspreading of his bondage.” The Republican program of restricting slavery to where it presently existed, he said, had the long-range benefit of denying to slave holders an opportunity to sell their surplus bondsmen at high prices in new slave territories, and thus encouraged them to support a process of gradual emancipation involving resettlement of the excess outside of the country.

[rockrr]

Wouldn’t it have been easier just to say, “No, I don’t have a link but I do have opinions about it”?

Thanks anyway.

[varina davis]

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html