Posted on 05/25/2012 2:01:59 AM PDT by Kukai
The “Verification of Birth” letter sent by the Hawaii State Registrar Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett fails to respond to the fundamental question asked by Mr. Bennett in a March 30, 2012 letter to Hawaii Department of Health officials: Whether or not the image of President Obama’s “long form” Certificate of Live Birth, posted on the White House web site on April 27, 2011 is a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”. The official whose signature appears on the “Verification of Birth,” as well as the copy of President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth released by the White House is Onaka who is refusing to talk to Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (Ariz.) Cold Case Posse investigator Mike Zullo who was on the ground in Hawaii. In response to an outcry from Arizona constituents troubled by the March 1, 2012 Cold Case Posse announcement there is probable cause the image posted on the White House website is a forgery, Arizona Secretary Bennett enclosed a printout of the White House website image with his letter, and requested verification that the image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”.
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Sean has a wife and kids, and though he is well off, he probably can't afford private security 24/7/52. 'Nuff said.
You routinely post nonsense like this with absolutely no evidence for your claims, even when challenged on it.
Mods, look up the posting history of this person and please evaluate their privileges.
What the HDOH is even more incriminating than not confirming the genuineness of Obama’s forged long-form.
Bennett was required to change the “wording” on his request before HI deputy AG Joshua Wisch would allow the HDOH to send anything at all. There were 2 parts of Bennett’s request that were changed:
1. the “wording” on this part of Bennett’s SPECIAL (non-application-form) request
2. Bennett dropped the form request altogether.
Addressing those 2 changes:
1. The wording change was so the HDOH would not have to verify that Obama’s forgery is genuine but WOULD confirm that the information in Obama’s forgery matches the information on their record. So what’s the difference then? Why did Obama have to forge a BC if the info was the same? Because there was MORE on the real record than he wanted people to see. Not more items, because his forgery had all the items normally on a LFBC. What was different? The real thing has stamps saying “LATE” and “ALTERED”, and a notation (right where the seal is supposed to go) of what evidence was submitted in support of a late and/or amended filing, and when. This conclusion is consistent with the claims of the HDOH, former OIP Director Paul Tsukiyama; Chiyome Fukino, and Gov Neil Abercrombie - AND makes sense out of #2 below.
2. The form request was withdrawn (at the demand of Joshua Wisch, presumably) even though it actually contained the items that pertain to presidential eligibility: place and date of birth and parents’ names. Why? Not because these items are off-limits to ask, obviously - because they are on the standard request form. But that’s the problem: they are a standard request for verification. According to HRS 338-14.3 a standard request for verification requires the HDOH to certify the TRUE facts of birth. And HRS 338-17 says that a late and/or altered BC is not legally probative - IOW, the claims on that BC are legally questionable and the State of HI cannot vouch for their accuracy. So the HDOH CANNOT verify the true facts of Obama’s birth. Onaka knew that, and as “client” of the HI AG’s office let them know that he COULD NOT respond to Bennett’s STANDARD request.
So they went with Plan B: Bennett’s SPECIAL REQUEST. The request that asked the HDOH to verify FROM THE RECORD ON FILE, 11 particular items. That, the HDOH could do. They verified that they have a record on file (never said it was legally valid, which it’s not) and that the record on file CLAIMS blah, blah, blah. In his certifying statement Bennett states that they are verifying what is sworn on the record on file.
There is a thread about this at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2887501/posts There’s more analysis in some of the comments there.
And I’ve got a detailed analysis (plus links to a bunch of supporting documenation and corroborating details) at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/hi-non-verification-1.pdf
We need to understand - and make known - the fact that Joshua Wisch required these changes to Bennett’s request to specifically accommodate the fact that Obama’s BC is late and amended and therefore legally non-valid.
I have sent an e-mail to Ken Bennett, noting that the info that actually pertains to presidential eligibility was on the standard request form, which he did not receive a response to even though he said he got what he had asked for. I asked him why he withdrew that request form. We’ll see what happens but I’m not holding my breath.
Come on, man! Two days ago Arizona SOS said this was over. The article comfirms, “Even so, Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett said on Wednesday that Hawaii’s “Verification of Birth” satisfies Arizona requirements, and that Barack Obama will appear on the November ballot.”
So, WTF didn’t the Times reporter ask why he is going to be on the ballot if there is still a question?
What crappy reporting. Does anybody know the answer?
Exactly! And why didn’t the WT reporter ask him why?!
A SOS should not be a campaign adviser for a Presidential candidate. That’s a clear conflict of interest. I’m surprised that Bennett didn’t realize that.
You bring up an interesting thing to contemplate: What would MacGyver do? Any thoughts?
This WT reporter is a citizen reporter, not an employee of The Washington Times. Sort of like I’m a blogger. I sent an e-mail asking Bennett why he withdrew his official request form when it had the info pertinent to Presidential eligibility (date and place of birth and parents’ names). That was sent yesterday at 11:35AM Nebraska time (9:35am AZ time, I believe). I have not heard a response. And I doubt I will ever get a response.
I’m not from the NYT or LA Times so he can ignore me. Just like he can ignore Alan Jones, the reporter who wrote this article (IIRC).
This is why the media malpractice of the so-called MSM is so devastating. And it’s also why little peons like me have to pimp their blogs - to get enough people to pay attention that somebody big enough to get responses from the players actually picks up the story.
The big story that I believe needs to get out is summarized at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2887801/posts?page=43#43 (post 43 in this thread).
Anybody who can help get this out there is greatly appreciated.
This is pretty much the argument I was making when I said that it was HAWAII DOH that created the fake document. You have done a good job fleshing out the details of it.
I'm long past holding my breath on anything to do with The Evil One.
I’m not so sure that the HDOH has a document at their office that looks like what Obama posted though. The doctor’s signature is probably Obama’s doctor from Chicago and that’s probably the affidavit that supports the late and amended filing. There probably isn’t any parent’s signature but is Madelyn Dunham’s signature as the informant.
Ah, but they did confirm the date of mother’s signature, etc. So that’s what they had to forge. They had to get rid of the original documents which showed Madelyn Dunham as the informant. So they created an “abstract” from the affidavits (maybe a signature from Obama’s mother was submitted in an affidavit, although she was already dead by 2006) that looks like what Obama posted, except that it has the LATE and ALTERED stamps and notation of the amendment and the affidavit supplied to support the late, amended filing. Probably because they knew that the microfilm, computer transaction logs, and non-genuineness of the paper document would get them in trouble if they didn’t try to cover their legal behinds.
I think you are spot on, as usual.
Wouldn't the HDOH also be answerable to Gov. I-Was-There?
Very interesting. How do you know when Arpaio’s access was terminated?
Would court orders have to be accessible to the public? Where is the provision for such a process? Federal level? A federal court could order vital records to be outright falsified (and not just on adoption grounds)?
He didn't treat his typical white family side like family either.
>Why did Obama have to forge a BC if the info was the same?<
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Does that mean that we have a forger in the WH?
Here's something you and others may find interesting:
Donald Trump told Lloyd Grove that President Obama was born in Kenya, not the United States.
Said Trump: “That's the way life works... He didn't know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The literary agent wrote down what he said... He said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia... Now they're saying it was a mistake. Just like his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and she pointed down the road to the hospital, and after people started screaming at her she said, ‘Oh, I mean Hawaii.’ Give me a break.”
Gotta agree w Trump on this one. Obama was attractive, as a wholly untried, untested ‘author’, to a high-powered literary agency only in part because he was president of the Harvard Law Review. The FACT that he was from Kenya is what sealed the deal/was the icing on the cake.
Added to which, Obama as much as told us flat out he wasn't born in HI when he said HI is in Asia. Sorry, Obots, that's just not the kind of mistake a native-born Hawaiian would make. It is, however, exactly the kind of mistake a Kenyan would make—especially one that spent his HS days enjoying alcohol, “weed, and a little blow”.
Obama probably didn’t forge it himself. I’m thinking it looks likely that the HDOH did create the document as an “abstract” - maybe authorized by court order (still waiting for more information on how that would work). It is the HDOH which has access to Sunahara’s BC (from which the BC was probably forged). I think it’s Doug Vogt who has claimed that somebody in Onaka’s office forged the BC - and that they put the smiley face and TXE as red flags in protest at having to do the forgery. I need to think that through, but my initial thought right now is that maybe that makes sense.
Particularly because it seems like Onaka must be unwilling to certify the truth of the facts claimed on the abstract/forgery. I was so afraid they were just going to verify Obama’s birth facts even though what they’ve got is based on affidavits and amendments. But it’s clear from the way that Bennett had to alter his request (in order to get any response from HI) that Onaka was unwilling to certify the facts of birth. He knows what they have would not survive forensic scrutiny.
If the abstract/forgery was created because of a court order, Onaka would have legal cover to verify the facts of birth, unless the court order failed to negate the rules which require alterations and late filings to be noted on the face of the certificate.
The more I think about this, I’m thinking Onaka might actually be the good guy here - or at least afraid of getting caught being the bad guy.
Don’t mind Sven, he makes this stuff up out of whole cloth.
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