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To: edge919

I’m picturing in my mind a “certification” which just says:

.......
What you said.
(signed) Alvin Onaka
........

How would something like that ever mean anything? A verification that doesn’t say specifically what it’s verifying would be useless. That’s why a real verification would not leave items 2-12 hanging without a sentence saying what those items ARE (for instance items on the birth certificate, items on the record, or true facts being verified).

But even on #1 the only thing specifically verified is the existence of a birth certificate. The use of the word “indicating” rather than “verifying” suggests that the BC itself doesn’t even swear to the accuracy of the claims - as if the sworn statements were on supplemental documents such as affidavits rather than on the BC itself. When Fukino gave her statement about having seen the “vital records verifying” that Obama was born in HI, she referred to multiple vital records. Even if she had referred to a singular vital record, that vital record would include not only the BC but all the affidavits in support of it - although for her to see the affidavits she would have to look in a different file. Hmm. Those are 2 different items in the retention schedule though. The birth certificates have a different reference code than the evidence file has. Maybe she DID have to use the plural there.

Maybe that’s why they used the word “indicating” rather than “verifying”. HRS 338-14.3 requires them to verify that the CERTIFICATE exists but they can’t even claim that the BIRTH CERTIFICATE itself “verifies” (swears to) anything, because the actual sworn statements are on affidavits in the evidence file - not on the birth certificate.

The certification says that the INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE was used to verify those items (which were requested to be FROM THE RECORD). The BC would have note of what affidavits were on file to support the claims. Could be that those notes were used as justification for consulting the evidence files as well, and reporting what was in the evidence file in this “verification”.


165 posted on 05/28/2012 6:30:41 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edge919

The actual name of the FIELD on the BC is “Signature of Parent or Other Informant”. BEnnett requested “Date of signature of parent” which would be a reference to that particular field. So that could have been the signature of Madelyn Dunham on an affidavit dated 8-7, right before she reported the birth to the local registrar the next day.

The attendant swears that the child was born alive on the date and time stated in the certificate. Doesn’t have to be an eyewitness. That might have been the local registrar who signed that, based on the signature of the informant. Which would have made Madelyn think the bases were covered for a HI birth certificate. I wonder what the procedure was for filling out the actual form when a birth was reported by an informant - who would be considered the “attendant”, and whether they would sign something on the BC or in an affidavit.

But they didn’t have a birth weight, which is a REQUIRED item even though it doesn’t show up on a standard long-form. And couldn’t GET a birth weight because neither Stanley Ann nor the baby were in Hawaii. That was probably the snag that Obama had to correct in 2006.


166 posted on 05/28/2012 6:47:20 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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