Posted on 05/20/2012 3:18:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
He is not proselytizing but translating, they say taking powerful ideas and lessons from the church and applying them in another realm.
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taking powerful ideas and lessons from the church and applying them in another realm.
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Yep indeed...
That another realm must not be the White House...
SBD
I admit I hold out hope that Paul can wreck the convention on the first and second ballot,
Same here.
“where he once excommunicated adulterers “
Good for him, I can respect him for that!
“THe LORD Jesus Christ forgave adulterers..”
Yes Jesus forgives. Many are comfortable in their sins and do not repent because any thing goes. But we are not called to allow each other to be “comfortable” with sinning. Guess you have not read 1 Corinthians 5:12 “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among you.
Imagine our nightmare national scenario.
We have Christians and other conservatives who say they will/would vote for a guy who puts on a pretense of actual divinity. (Yup, that means Romney thinks he's literally another god!)
Since the Old Testament days, there was a word for that: Idolatry.
And nothing seemed to rile God more than His people committing idolatry -- or propping up the idolatry of others.
Yet many Christians aren't thinking twice about what propping up an idol could mean for divine consequences for our culture.
The following puts both this component -- plus the statement from the Times' article above -- all in integrated tie-ins:
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.
But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969 "Being a GOD IN EMBRYO with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a GOD IN EMBRYO. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of ones lifeto substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp
1. That the Bible is inadequate
2. That the Bible is lacking.
3. That the Bible is corrupted.
16, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 714, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 1520, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 2125, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 2627, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 2839, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 4047, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 4850, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 5157, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 5866, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto themYe shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depthsthen shall it be written in the Lambs gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
24This is aeternal livesto bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
Wow!
You came up with THIS from THAT??
Mr. Romneys penchant for rules mirrors that of his church, where he once excommunicated adulterers
I put that as a plus for Romney.
There IS a bit MORE in the Book; you know...
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
'But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.'
(Perhaps just sipped a bit while bathing...)
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Had you been drinking?
(Perhaps just sipped a bit while bathing...)
Yep, crazy stuff.
If Romney is like another Mormon Bishop I knew, I'd vote for him without question.
The man I knew could be trusted with anything or by anyone, especially by the most innocent and helpless.
Please Mitt, it's time to not be silent about what is most important.
Your bishop friend may have been a trustworthy soul, but keep in mind that when he attended the mormon temple he took this oath solemnly:
That article does a fine job of relating how much Mitt is influenced by his religion. Don't think for one moment that if he takes the oath of office for POTUS that his oath to his religion will be cast aside.
Mormons are no better or worse than any other group of people..they just have a multi-million-dollar PR firm and people who judge the whole group by the good actions of a few, holding them up as paragons of virtue.
Was it a dream or a vision? Sounds like a nightmare that could either be a dream or vision. This whole thing, nomination process and Presidential election, is really getting weird.
Romney and Reid are both temple mormons, only about 15% of lds reach that high level. Both have received awards for being what a momorn should be.
Romney has not done anything that would remove him from that high level. mormonism is not what appears to be.
“The tool of excommunication is held over the heads of mormon members for “sins” besides adultery..such as speaking out against the church doctrine or leaders.”
I wonder if the Republican party is going excommunicate me for the sin of speaking out against the one they are proclaiming to be our leader and nominee. Who would have thoughyt during the last few years with all the proclamations of “anybody but obama” that we would end up with the “anybody”?
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