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F-35 problems on their way to being fixed
Flight International ^ | 5/18/12 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 05/18/2012 3:54:58 PM PDT by Yo-Yo

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Damn, more good news about the flying anvil...
1 posted on 05/18/2012 3:55:00 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
I wish they hadn't taken the jack of all trades design philosophy for the F-35, as the teething pains and the bill for this approach is always much worse.

That said, the F-35 will end up being an outstanding asset for decades to come.

We will be grateful to those who kept the program alive through this phase, as will the next couple of generations who live with it and fight with it.

And best of all, it isn't the Boeing Monica! Boy howdy, that thing is one seriously FUGLY aeroplane!

2 posted on 05/18/2012 4:11:23 PM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: Yo-Yo

They are “optimistic” they will be able to pick up this turd by the clean end......soon.


3 posted on 05/18/2012 4:12:44 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: GBA
"That said, the F-35 will end up being an outstanding asset for decades to come."

Geez....that is such a silly statement I just don't know where to start.

4 posted on 05/18/2012 4:17:53 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: diogenes ghost

Take you time. I’ll be here.


5 posted on 05/18/2012 4:18:59 PM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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To: GBA
And best of all, it isn't the Boeing Monica! Boy howdy, that thing is one seriously FUGLY aeroplane!

At least it looked happy...

6 posted on 05/18/2012 4:21:10 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1214 of our ObamaVacation from reality [and what dark chill/is gathering still/before the storm])
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To: diogenes ghost

Careful, the lovers of this brick will come out in droves against you.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Mine is that Lockheed has been very shifty about this airplane, lobbied against their own F-22 to preserve this project or make it stronger because it is more profitable, the airplane is a lightweight for the mission being short in range and light in payload compared to what it replaces, one engine isn’t a good plan. Lockheed does not have experience in carrier airplanes and the VSTOL is a questionable “asset”.

In negotiations for the fixes I read compromise. This airplane has too much compromise already.


7 posted on 05/18/2012 4:21:10 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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“This airplane has too much compromise already.”

Well, as long as it does not have the F-22s oxygen system, maybe it will be OK.


8 posted on 05/18/2012 4:38:46 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: GBA

“That said, the F-35 will end up being an outstanding asset for decades to come.”

Thank you Lockheed-Martin Marketing!

What a dog this thing is! way over schedule, way over budget, will cost way more than we can afford per copy and doesn’t really meet any of its performance goals. Should just buy more F/A-18’s


9 posted on 05/18/2012 4:44:22 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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When I was in the Air Force from 1977-81, the aircraft that I worked on was the F-111A. Talk about your turd, the F-111 program was it to the nines.

However, the F-111F was a very capable aircraft that kicked Lybian ass on one of the the then longest non-stop combat sorties in USAF history, and was a champion tank-plinker in GW I.

The Jack-of-all-trades F-35 mentality came out of trying to design an aircraft to replace the F-16, F/A-18A and -C, and the AV-8B. The F-16’s multiple roles were slowly developed over decades, not designed in all at once.

It’s sort of like building a small house, then over the decades adding a family room, and a garage, and extra bedrooms, then wanting to build a new house that has to have all of those atributes of the old house from the start.

Of course the new house is going to cost much, much more and take much longer to build than the original 2 bedroom bungalow did 30 years ago...


10 posted on 05/18/2012 5:26:12 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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SPOT ON!! The “dog” is YEARS behind schedule, millions over budget, major politicians are ready to can it, oh..did I mention they are on strike nation wide & at Pax River Md.,where they are in the flight test program. Let’s let that info rest....the fact it is a SINGLE ENGINE aircraft should speak volumes for those that really understand combat aircraft.....GO F-18 “Growler!!!”


11 posted on 05/18/2012 7:02:08 PM PDT by Fighter@heart (Ask The American Indian how ignoring immigration worked out for them!!! WAKE UP!!)
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To: GBA

If you saw the documentary Boeing had a redesign of the front that made it look much, much better.


12 posted on 05/18/2012 7:08:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Sequoyah101
Lockheed does not have experience in carrier airplanes

That will come as news to Viking crews and some Neptune crews not to mention one KC-130 crew and a U-2 pilot.

VSTOL is a questionable “asset”.(sic)

The correct acronym is STOVL and the Marine Corps has four+ decades of experience that proves you are wrong.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

We certainly know what yours is worth.

13 posted on 05/18/2012 7:22:25 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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The Jack-of-all-trades

Describe the commonality between the three variants.

14 posted on 05/18/2012 7:26:47 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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And the defenders of the F-35 rise again like the Kraken from the sea.

Yes, they did build the Viking, that is true. A nice little airplane.

The Navy will be greatly relieved that you know all about C-130 operations to and from carriers. You can remedy their current problem with the F-35 engine deliveries to carriers since the current COD does not have a large enough fuselage interior for the new and large engines of the F-35.

The harrier proves nothing when compared to the F-35 variant. Too much fan and not enough fuel or payload but lots of hot air.

Have a nice day.


15 posted on 05/18/2012 7:37:12 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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Thank you Lockheed-Martin Marketing!

If you say so, I haven't seen or read much of it. I do have some familiarity with how this plays out.

Maybe it's because we haven't fielded many new designs in recent years, so people tend to forget how the process goes.

EVERY aircraft in our inventory, the ones you and everyone else uses as an example of why we don't need this new prototype, went through the same thing, with more or less the same complaints and then goes on to decades of projecting power, bringing pilots back to base and keeping the folks back home safe and sound.

If the critics would have won the day as you and others might like to with the F-35, then the F-15, F-16, F/A-18, F-22, B-1B, B2, etc. wouldn't exist, nor would the generation before them, etc.

Most of the complainers wouldn't know the difference between the Sukhois, MiGs and the F-15 and F/A-18, but they just know what a dog the F-35 is.

Yeah, 10-4, good buddy.

16 posted on 05/18/2012 7:37:46 PM PDT by GBA (Read: The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn If you read this anything this year, read this book!)
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“We will be grateful to those who kept the program alive through this phase”

Yeah, Canada has a LOT invested in the F-35 Edsel. I have a lot of praise for PM Stephen Harper, but this is one of his few mistakes. A single engine for an aircraft that will have to do a lot of Arctic patrol? I don’t think so. Plus there’s the cost overuns and delays and ...


17 posted on 05/18/2012 9:50:58 PM PDT by Dartman
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Describe the commonality between the three variants.

Power plant, avionics, and flight software. One example: Cockpit commonality has a "STOVL/HOOK" button that either lowers the hook on A/C or initiates STOVL flight mode on the B.

(Not to A.A. but to others reading this: Yes, the F-35A has a tail hook, as does the F-15, F-16, and F-22. It is not a carrier capable hook, however.)

18 posted on 05/19/2012 4:28:04 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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So, what is the rational for a non-carrier capable tail hook?


19 posted on 05/19/2012 4:54:07 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Used for emergency landings on airstrips when a plane may not be able to stop, or perhaps because the strip is too short due to damage.


20 posted on 05/19/2012 5:27:30 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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