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Evidence mixed for Zimmerman's self-defense claim [Media Hoping George is Convicted]
AP ^ | 5/18/12 | Kyle Hightower

Posted on 05/18/2012 1:53:50 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

When George Zimmerman tries to convince a judge or a jury that he shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense, the evidence in the case appears to be a mixed bag.

More than 200 pages of photos and eyewitness accounts released byprosecutors Thursday show he and Martin were in a loud and bloody fight in the moments leading up to the shooting...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; race; saintskittles; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Reeses

The guilty here are Sharpton and Jackson.

They have spent their lives going from one place to another to stir racial strife.


21 posted on 05/18/2012 3:49:59 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Happy Rain

Exactly. The burden of proof is on the prosecutor, not the defendant. I thing the evidence is pretty strong it was self defense. But....even if it were a “mixed bag”, then that leaves room for reasonable doubt.

Saw the CBS evening news last night. They seem to be hanging their hat on the assertion that Zimmerman could have avoided confrontation by staying in his vehicle. Perhaps so, but that is not the basis for a second degree murder charge.


22 posted on 05/18/2012 4:12:35 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SoFloFreeper
Oh, how the media wants to see George get punished for defending himself.

As do about 90% of blacks I have seen commenting online, and many of their idiot white friends. Just check out a huge thread from ABCNews like THIS ONE on Facebook, and see how blacks are doing the O.J. Shuffle once again. It's all about race, and Zimm is a "murderer" regardless of the evidence. Clicking on the profiles of those whites who agree shows they have a large number of black friends. This is all about race, not justice.

23 posted on 05/18/2012 4:12:52 AM PDT by montag813 (No Amnesty - Enforce the Law! http://www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The evidence is mixed? Not from what I’ve seen. What is the AP trying to do? Why do they have to interject their opinion into this matter?


24 posted on 05/18/2012 4:32:20 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
“The police concluded that none of this would have happened if George Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car,” said attorney Ben Crump. “If George Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car, they say it was completely avoidable. That is the headline.”

In assigning culpability the justice system does not go to a legal action in a sequence of events and speciously use it to create cause and effect. Rather it finds the action NOT reasonably supportable as an action or response. Oh, wait, EVERYBODY knows that...

25 posted on 05/18/2012 4:51:21 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
When George Zimmerman tries to convince a judge or a jury that he shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense

George Zimmerman does not have to convince anybody of anything.

The State of Florida has to do the convincing, and that convincing has to meet all the elements of the crime of murder in the second degree, and it has to be convincing BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

It is absolutely incomprehensible to me, staggering, really, that there is a prosecutor anywhere in this country who would take this case to a jury. Once reasonable doubt is introduced into the equation, how could ANYBODY believe that a conviction was possible?

26 posted on 05/18/2012 4:56:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: SoFloFreeper
When George Zimmerman tries to convince a judge or a jury that he shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense

George Zimmerman does not have to convince anybody of anything.

The State of Florida has to do the convincing, and that convincing has to meet all the elements of the crime of murder in the second degree, and it has to be convincing BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

It is absolutely incomprehensible to me, staggering, really, that there is a prosecutor anywhere in this country who would take this case to a jury. Once reasonable doubt is introduced into the equation, how could ANYBODY believe that a conviction was possible?

27 posted on 05/18/2012 4:56:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Noble

And it’s also incomprehensible for them to choose 2nd degree murder over manslaughter.

It would be much easier to argue that GZ was negligent rather than malicious.

In the end - that will work in his favor.


28 posted on 05/18/2012 5:03:28 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: fortheDeclaration

“show he and Martin were in a loud and bloody fight”

The evidence shows bloody knuckles on Trayvon and clean knuckles but broken nose, swollen lips, and other injuries on Zimmerman.

Is it a “fight” if all the blows are delivered by only one side ? Or is it a beating ?


29 posted on 05/18/2012 5:03:28 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Jim Noble

The goal here is to make sure that anybody who defends himself is open to a civil lawsuit in which the thug and the thug’s family make $$$.


30 posted on 05/18/2012 5:07:18 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Misterioso

And Kyle Hightower, he could be, well, he could be a Son Of Barack.


31 posted on 05/18/2012 5:11:38 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: TalBlack

“Getting out of one’s car is not a crime. Either is following someone in public. Using a “but for” analysis, why didn’t the officer conclude that had Trayvon not smacked Zimmerman, he would still be alive? That appears to be a far more immediate cause of the shooting than Zimmerman’s getting out of his car.

It’s also an unsupportable theory for criminal liability. How far back do you go? One could say if Zimmerman stayed home that night and didn’t go to the store, Trayvon would be alive. Or if Trayvon had stayed home and not gone to 7-11 that night, he would still be alive. But for a hundred things, Trayvon would be alive. (If only an airline passenger had taken a different plane, he wouldn’t have gone down with the flight. If only a person took a different route to the store, or left home 10 minutes later, he could have avoided a fatal car accident and would still be alive.) They are all true, but they are not a basis for charging a crime.”

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/5/17/221353/149


32 posted on 05/18/2012 5:20:51 AM PDT by ironman
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To: Molon Labbie
I spoke directly to Kyle Hightower.

Quote: "I wrote this piece because it was starting to seem like Zimmerman, that dirty, filthy white racist, is going to get off. I paid to write these types of lies in order to provoke all-out race riots across the USA. When that happens the AP and myself will be sitting pretty with inflammatory photos and false interviews which hopefully will propel this into an all-out race war in which thousands of whites will be killed by good non-racist Black Power freedom fighters!"

"Here at the AP we're well financed by George Soros so we're ready to distort and falsify any story that may lead to bonuses for us. The WH has already confirmed that if the AP is able to inflame a race war in which thousands of whites can be killed, we'll all be invited to the post-election Balls in Washington. We're out to destroy the Tea Party and America, and any white that gets in the AP's way is going to pay with their life!"

33 posted on 05/18/2012 5:39:17 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Jim Noble

Good points.


34 posted on 05/18/2012 5:45:57 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: ironman

It looks like the prosecution’s whole case is going revolve around the suggestion that getting out of his car proves that Zimmerman’s intent was the premeditated killing of Martin. To attempt to prove that they will try to paint Zimmerman as 1. a violent person by nature, 2. a paranoid vigilante, 3. a racist, who was just looking for the opportunity to kill a black person. It is all speculative and circumstantial at best.


35 posted on 05/18/2012 5:50:16 AM PDT by Ironfocus (Unseat the Looter-in-Chief)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

It’s all about the money. No more, no less. Money.


36 posted on 05/18/2012 7:27:50 AM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Self empowered little people (a nation’s targeted natives) are not desired by global elitist ruler wannabes. Look at Britian to see how they make them helpless and then permit the barbarians to rape and enslave their children without objection.


37 posted on 05/18/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: FreedomPoster

Political correctness: what is true is false and what is false is true. What is good is evil and what is evil is good.


38 posted on 05/18/2012 8:05:57 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Jaded
It’s all about the money. No more, no less. Money.

Time is money. And now justice is money! Who knew?

J = mc2 where m is money and c is the current street price of crack.

39 posted on 05/18/2012 9:09:00 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: MuttTheHoople

As far as I know, Obama is half black, Zimmerman is not, we don’t know how black his great grandfather was but if he were 100% it still isn’t the same.

Zimmerman might be only 50% white, like Obama, but I haven’t seen the details on his mother.


40 posted on 05/18/2012 9:19:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (When immutable definition of Bible marriage of One Man, One Woman, is in jeopardy, call the Mormon.)
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