Posted on 05/17/2012 1:56:58 AM PDT by se99tp
The American communists joined in the Soviet propaganda campaign. Corliss Lamont, a millionaire communist propagandist, wrote “Soviet Russia’s severance of relations with the Polish Government-in-Exile, over the Nazi-inspired charge that the Russians murdered 10,000 Polish army officers, shows clearly the danger to the United Nations of the splitting tactics engineered by Hitler and definitely helped along by the general campaign of anti-Soviet propaganda carried on during recent months in Britain and America. According to the London Bureau of the New York Herald Tribune, ‘It is a safe assumption that the Poles would not have taken so tough an attitude toward the Soviet Government if it had not been for the widespread support Americans have been giving them in the cases of Henry Ehrlich and Victor Alter.’”
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It goes beyond that; the fact is that 2 evil forces were fighting for domination of Europe, and the Western Democracies stood to gain little by involving themselves in such a war (and in fact did gain little). Many of the new coutries forged after WWI lost the independence which had been used as an excuse to fight in that war, and they remained enslaved for almost 50 years.
The end result of the war (Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and influence in Asia that would lead to the fall of China and wars in Korea & Vietnam) demonstrated what an exercise in futility it had been.
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Ummm, there was this little issue of Germany declaring war on us... I know our anti-sub patrols were, perhaps, a bit provocative, but they didn’t declare war on us until the Japs attacked us at Pearl Harbor.
Once they did that, it was on.
Have to agree with you on the last part. The EU ended up mostly “Juden-rein” and is largely dominated by Germany. Dunno that Reich would have tolerated the Muzzies, though.
That still wouldn’t be enough. He regard Slavs as “untermenschen” so I don’t know if he would made use of his biggest source of manpower.
And the navies of Germany, its allies and its conquests, still would not have had parity with the USN. You needed the Japanese and their naval aviation - and they were half the world away!
We were in the war by arming England against Germany and China against Japan.
In WWI England blockaded Germany against trade with the US (prior to our involvement), and we did nothing. I live within s few miles of 2 sites that were bombed by saboteurs in WWI (in Lyndhurst & Jersey City, NJ); this was a reaction of German sympathizers here who realized that the weapons made here were killing Germans in a war in which we were officially neutral.
WWII was no different; as a “neutral” we were shipping the weapons to kill Germans to England while officially remaining neutral.
That's an interesting take on the situation. From what I'd read, Stalin wanted Eastern Europe as a buffer region between him and the West. Stalin didn't want any more surprise attacks into Soviet territory like what had happened in 1941. If that were the case, Stalin would have grabbed the region regardless.
Well, I’m sure we would have gladly sold weapons to the Germans if there had been any way to deliver them (*snicker*). After all, Standard Oil managed to get a few tankers of petrol to Germany through Spain.
But that’s what happens when you surrender control of the sea...
I don’t know where you read in my response, anywhere, that I said anything whatsoever about whether we should or should not have been involved in WWII.
I do know at the time that sentiment ran AGAINST going to war in Europe 2 to 1 against. I know that FDR and Churchill allowed the Brits to help us set up the OSS, and I know that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be bombed. I also know Churchill was desperate to get us into it on their side.
WWI was still an open wound, and Lindbergh, who was a US superstar was telling people we could live with Hitler at the time.
Now, these are facts.
That WWII was a just war doesn’t forgive our government from the manipulation that occurred in order to get us into it.
We know NOW about the holocaust. At the time, and in 1938, there wasn’t. All we knew was ‘Germany was at it again’. Spain was at war in 1930, even with WWI having happened 11 years earlier.
The RPP (Reasonably Prudent Person) might have come to the idea “I’m glad Dad left when he did. I want no part of what’s going on over there.”
There was no American Legion in WWI - men were allowed to keep their uniforms and they got a train ticket back to their home town. You lost a limb - those are the breaks.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, in the US was spoiling for a fight until December 7, 1941. Justification has nothing to do with it.
Even Patton was in the dark about it until he rolled into one of the camps, took all the civilians prisoner, made them file through, and filmed everything. I believe that was 1944, and summer.
Only when it was convenient....Slovaks were Slavs, just like Poles and Russians, but the difference was, Tiso and the Slovaks cooperated with Nazi Germany, so they were left alone.
I believe the agreement to give him Eastern Europe was made at Yalta; late in the war he couldn’t have done anything without the approval of the US & UK. They were feeding his people, and his army was on its last legs. It was one thing to chase a starving, beaten army back to Berlin; quite another to fight 2 countries that in comparison to the USSR and Germany has suffered rather light casualties (the Axis armies that were lost in Stalingrad alone were almost on par with US casualties for the whole war).
While we were condemning Japan’s aggression in China we were selling them the scrap metal to feed their war machine. Nothing personal against China; it was just business.
Hey, we sold the Chinese airplanes (its a great story - read The Ragged Rugged Warriors by Martin Caiden sometime). Big deal. It IS business and it doesn’t stop for war.
Or don’t you know the story from WWI about the Brits paying Krupp Arms a penny royalty for every fuse of a certain type, because they licensed it from Krupp?
Thanks se99tp.
In fact Russians admitted both a crime and a responsibility of their top leadership long time ago.
For a known reason there is noone left alive to be brought to trial.
For some else reason Poland want to have this tragic event as a center of it’s international policy after so many years.
Do they want Russians to apologize 24/7 or what?
To me it is a nasty minority mentality, kinda LGBT and racial minorities lusting some kind or affirmative action out of a guilt complex of either party.
Main point: Poland is barely a victim. It was a jackal crushed by a bear in process of looting. Why noone mentions the fact Poland was allied to Hitler too prior to Russian invasion and it was happy to invade Chekhoslovakia along with Germans to grab land and kill people?
As for Stalin he was among the first to stand to nazy backing republicans in Spain against nationalist backed by Hitler. In 1938 USSR offered France and Britain an alliance to attack Hitler and it wasn’t accepted.
He had no choice but to sign a pact with nazy to get some time.
I’m not about to find any excuse for this crime but you have to see things as is to avoid bias.
Sir, I think you are blind to facts. Read what Russians are saying in official documents for this crime... Do not show off your lack of knowledge.
SO MANY YEARS?
US administrations had been hiding evidence for many years.
Yes, I know that not many people are interested in POWs from Vietnam or North Korea. It is not news anymore...
You should probably look for better quality information about Katyn case...
What you wrote is just Soviet/Russian propaganda...
I am sorry to say but you look like as if you would be drunk from Kremlin/stupid propaganda.
Stalin first to stand against Nazi? Have you heard anything about secret Soviet pact called Ribbentropp-Molotov pact? Don’t you know that Stalin was Hitler’s ally in killing Jews, Poles and other nations until finally Hitler decided to invade Soviets?
I am just amazed how ignorant your comment is!
I’m fully aware of Molotov-Ribentropp pact.
All I want to say it wasn’t a single pact around at the time.
Late 30s was a hot time in Europe. Neither party is innocent there.
I recomend you to read Kissinger’s “Diplomacy” on the subject.
I don’t like Kissinger that much and disagree with some of his opinions but his book is pretty correct in terms of facts he used to back this opinions.
And what exactly wrong with Russian official documents on Katyn massacre? They have definately admitted both a crime and their responsibility.
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