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Why does gay marriage keep losing at the ballot box? (WaPo writers asks and tries to explain)
Washington Post ^ | 05/09/2012 | Rachel Weiner

Posted on 05/10/2012 7:42:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Gay marriage is increasingly accepted across the country. More Americans support gay marriage (47 percent) than oppose it (43 percent), according to a recent Pew survey. In 2004, 60 percent of Americans opposed it in Pew data. Only 8 percent were strongly in favor. In 2004, a majority did not support gay marriage in any state; by 2010, a majority did in 17.

Yet 32 times since 1998, voters have gone to the polls and voted against gay marriage.* Thirty-eight states prohibit gay marriage in some fashion. Even in “blue” states like California, Oregon and Delaware, gay marriage bans stand. North Carolina’s Amendment One Tuesday night was just the latest in a long line of failures at the ballot box for proponents of gay marriage. (Support for bans is falling over time, according to HRC: in 2004 they passed on average 71 percent to 29 percent, but in 2008 the average was 57 percent to 43 percent.)

Gay marriage has had more success in courts and state legislatures. But still, only six states and the District of Columbia allow gay marriage.

What explains the discrepancy between the national movement toward legalization of gay marriage with the repeated failures of such measures at the ballot box? A lot of it comes down to timing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexuality
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To: WashingtonSource

RE: Actually California voters REJECTED gay marriage. New York voters were never given a chance to decide. It was rammed through the State legislature with big payoffs from leftist financiers, like BLoomberg, to opponents so they would switch sides. It was a vile act of political corruption.

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Here’s my take ... GAY MARRIAGE IS *LOW* ON A VOTER’s PRIORITY LIST COMPARED TO JOBS AND THE ECONOMY.

For most Blacks, gay marriage is UNIMPORTANT compared to how the government promises to take care of your needs ( and also the race of the candidate ).

That is why you see Blacks voting AGAINST Gay marriage by a 2-1 margin in NC, but voting FOR Obama and any Democrat anyway.

Welfare is more important than gay marriage to Black voters. Hence, they’ll ignore Obama’s stance on this issue anyway.


21 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: WashingtonSource

Didn’t the homosexual marriage ban in CA get tossed by a Federal judge?


22 posted on 05/10/2012 7:58:46 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: skimask

RE: It was overturned by a sodomite judge.

Shouldn’t the judge be RECUSED due to conflict of interest?


23 posted on 05/10/2012 7:59:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: skimask

how do you stand living there


24 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeekAndFind
The highly tendentious language contained in the article--gay marriage is described as "marriage equality," which certainly sounds like a good thing--is very revealing, in my opinion.

The author, obviously, embraces the Hegelian doctrine of thesis/antithesis/synthesis: The "conversation" must be rather advanced--"further along" than elsewhere--in order for it to have a chance of having evolved to a point at which it has become morally acceptable, according to leftist doctrine...

25 posted on 05/10/2012 8:00:08 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: yldstrk
"how do you stand living there"

It's a struggle every day.

26 posted on 05/10/2012 8:04:47 AM PDT by skimask
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To: SeekAndFind

The judge retired within a few weeks after he made his pro sodomite ruling.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 8:07:30 AM PDT by skimask
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To: skimask

What I meant was the judge should have recused himself from even hearing the case due to his sexual orientation BEFORE he even retired.

Was he known to be a homosexual when he took on the case?

This looks like a conflict of interest. Why do voters allow that?


28 posted on 05/10/2012 8:10:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: AppyPappy
This is a short term $$$ gain for O'Jerko but a long term loss for reelection.

You are so correct, deep rooted minorities in the south are against this big time.

29 posted on 05/10/2012 8:11:30 AM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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To: tobyhill
Gay marriage is not illegal, this point has to be made over and over. A gay couple can go to and reform Jewish synagogue or an Unitarian church to get married. Civil authorities have a support system or a registry in place to mirror their citizens. The bills that are passed in the states are to insure that the definition of marriage stays traditional. If not than a sister and brother could married or multi-partners could marry.
30 posted on 05/10/2012 8:12:36 AM PDT by wmap
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To: AGreatPer

Yeah but they will vote for him regardless. But he pushed away another segment of independents.
He’ll lose because the economy sucks, not gay marriage.


31 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just thinking about what these “gays” do to and with each other is disgusting. Look up the pictures of the San Francisco gay days to see what they now do in public.


32 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:22 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just thinking about what these “gays” do to and with each other is disgusting. Look up the pictures of the San Francisco gay days to see what they now do in public.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 8:13:30 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why does gay marriage keep losing at the ballot box?”

Hmm...

I’m gonna go out on a limb here... because the majority of American voters disagree with it?


34 posted on 05/10/2012 8:15:02 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

RE: because the majority of American voters disagree with it?

But the poll she (the writer) cites show that the majority of Americans AGREE with it... that’s what she can’t understand.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 8:16:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Gay marriage is increasingly accepted across the country. More Americans support gay marriage (47 percent) than oppose it (43 percent)...

Maybe, just maybe - when liberal poll takers call - hired by newspapers - with 'objective questions' formed by writers ( who are 90+% liberal) - maybe, just maybe the person being polled gives the answer desired.

Years ago to test this theory a group of women were given serving trays with two kinds of juice (small cups) and told to only say the names of the juice to people ('apple' - 'orange' etc.) - and not to say anything else. Turns out they gave away more of the juice they personally preferred even without giving any obvious hints at preference. (the servers were not told in advance what the experiment was about)

In the privacy of the voting booth, socially acceptable lies fall by the wayside. The need to be "PC" in order to be acceptable goes away... and people vote their truth. Democrats know this - it's why they DON'T want secret ballots for Unions. Journalists know the truth too... but it conflicts with 'the story' so they lie in their own ways.

36 posted on 05/10/2012 8:18:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think he came out of the closet until he made the ruling. So yes he should have recused himself but, as you know, liberals have a way to justify any behavior they choose.


37 posted on 05/10/2012 8:19:49 AM PDT by skimask
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To: SeekAndFind

When people talk to a pollster, they are afraid of being called a bigot if they say they oppose gay marriage, so they tell the pollster they are in favor of it.

When they get in the voting both, they vote they how they really think.


38 posted on 05/10/2012 8:21:25 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Don't mistake my vote for Romney as a vote FOR Romney, it's a vote against Obama.)
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To: yldstrk
NY and California voted down gay marriage
39 posted on 05/10/2012 8:21:27 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: SeekAndFind

While admitting that 38 states — a supermajority — have passed restrictions on homo marriage, the writer manufactures some mythical “nationwide movement toward legalization”. How can repeated rejections of homo marriage be reconciled with increasing acceptance?

Because one is a fact, and one is fiction. And the only polls that matter are the ones taken at the ballot box.


40 posted on 05/10/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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