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1 posted on 05/09/2012 2:38:18 PM PDT by raptor22
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Finally, an acronym for a treaty that makes sense! I guess ‘SCREWED’ just wasn’t workable.


2 posted on 05/09/2012 2:46:42 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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Good post.

This is just another scheme/vehicle to accomplish the globalist agenda at the expense of the United States.


3 posted on 05/09/2012 2:54:25 PM PDT by Starboard
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my dictionary defines:

treason: betrayal of one’s country

And what do would get in return for agreeing this treaty?

Let me guess: a treasury that is more bankrupt than it already is and a citizenry that is enslaved to the world.

It is time to defend our Constitution and country from ALL our enemies, especially those DOMESTIC


4 posted on 05/09/2012 3:00:01 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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This, along with a number of other international agreements & treaties, is something we’ll have to keep a very keen eye on. I don’t think they’d dare try to do anything with this and other sovereignty surrendering actions prior to the November election. But in the lame duck session (and there will be a good number of angry lame duck Senators such as Lugar this November & December) all bets will be off. We’ll have to be prepared to support the mobilization of opposition to the ratification of such onerous treaties. And I’m sure a defeated Obama and his minions will do as much as they can to unilaterally weaken America.

Richard Lugar and Lamar Alexander supported the ratification of the Start treaty in the 2010 lame duck session. We’ve gotten rid of Lugar in this year’s election. Lamar’s turn is coming.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 3:10:12 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Sovereignty surrender


6 posted on 05/09/2012 3:14:23 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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I don’t understand. I really, REALLY don’t get this.

I know the US Navy is not the one I served in nor the one my dad served in, but how, HOW could they support this? I have heard that the higher levels of the navy support this, and I am baffled.

It would be easy to say they are all political toeing some line, but I cannot imagine the Navy would support this.

If anyone has any explanation, I would like to hear it. This treaty sounds like something we should fight with all the energy we have.


7 posted on 05/09/2012 3:17:21 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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IMPEACH THIS BASTARD NOW!!!!

I don’t want to hear another speech from ANY politician that doesn’t include their intent to immediately impeach this worthless bastard.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 3:33:07 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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This is the taxation effort on behalf of the UN and their treasonous allies in national gub’mints. Securing a taste of global energy dollars will assure the UN a secure income for eternity and the ability to function with or without American underwriting of their global agenda.


10 posted on 05/09/2012 4:10:30 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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Is giving up any part of sovereignty by the POTUS not a form of treason that should be cause for impeachment by Congress?

I forgot, this Congress has no b*lls.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by 353FMG
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The LOST treaty is another gift from Dick Lugar. Glad to see he won't be reelected. RINO.
15 posted on 05/09/2012 5:16:29 PM PDT by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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Sovereignty: Even if he's not re-elected, the president hopes to leave behind a treaty giving a U.N. body veto power over the use of our territorial waters and to which we'd be required to give half of our offshore oil revenue.

Oh it's a lot worse than that. LOST will regulate anything that AFFECTS the ocean. Many ocean species breed in estuaries. Estuaries are fed by watersheds. The "green" NGOs will sue to "protect" anything they can twist into pretending a risk of harm to said watersheds.

The is a LAND use treaty disguised as regulating oceans.

16 posted on 05/09/2012 5:17:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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Assuming we could ever elect a geniune, conservative, patriotic, pro-American president (definitely not 0dumb0shit or Romney for that matter), than this would be the easiest decision to make........ SCREW YOU LOST TREATY & the UN! We gotta have a president with balls who will tell these globalists to f__k off and if they persist in trying to enter our territorial waters or interfere with fishing fleets, just use our navy to blow these globalist bastards to smithereens.

"But its' a treaty with the UN signed by 0dumb0shit (or GW Bush)"

Good, even more reason to blow these globalist UN bastards to smithereens!

23 posted on 05/09/2012 8:26:21 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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Treaties are said to be inviolable. This is incorrect. Treaties cannot change the fundamental structure of the Constitution. Constitutional rights, such as (but not limited to) the Bill of Rights, cannot be changed by treaty. Because if that were possible, then the entire Constitutional process for amending the Constitution, as well as the fundamental philosophical structure of the Constitution, would be vulnerable to sabotage outside of Constitutional process - supposedly BY a Constitutional provision. But legally, you cannot have conflicting Constitutional laws, nor redundancies. So treaty powers have to be interpreted as secondary to established Constitutional provisions, and subject to pre-existing Constitutional oversight. Otherwise the entire Constitution ends with the phrase “or you can just toss it all out if you feel like it.”

No.


24 posted on 05/09/2012 11:31:31 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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