Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

“That’s the worst-case scenario, it attributes God-like powers to Obama”

Obama has Presidential powers, a compliant media that ignores his unconstitutional acts, and Nixonian grasp on power. And a second term mean no re-election worries. Not god-like, but it’s enough.

I am a conservative before I am a Republican, but a practical one; you dont have to be some GOP-E shill to recognize who you can get something out of and who will be just plain horrible. If I was in Mass, I’d be a Scott Brown supporter over that Obama/leftie Elizabeth “Fauxcohontas” Warren. Does that mean I am a gop shill or liberal for supporting a guy whose latest stunt is a silly Post Office bailout? Nope. I just prefer a 70% good guy to a 0%.

I did not support and vote for Romney in 08, but felt he’d at least have been better than McCain. I am in some ways aghast that we nominated the Romney-care guy in a year where Obamacare is #1 thing to overturn, but in other ways complaining about it misses the real point: Romney(*) will sign repeal of Obamacare. Obama wont. That’s your 70% to 0% right there.
(*) He only said it about 50 times in the debates, but some people dont believe a word he says. I cant help those folks, they’ll just have to believe it when it happens.

All the whining about Romney being as bad as Obama is bunk, and even the freepers saying it should know it. the only way this is concluded is by ignoring most of Mitt Romney’s real life, real positions and real approach. He’s the first potential president since Reagan to have spent most of his life in the private sector, and an objective review will show his agenda is more conservative than GWB’s “compassionate (aka BigGubmint) conservative” 2000 agenda, and his record not as liberal as FR hyperbole claims. But no point arguing with those who insist they have all the answers.

We can be purist and refuse to accept 70%, we can pretend it’s not 70% but some other number ... but at the end of the day, if you want conservative ideas to win, it would be crazy to assume that ‘Obama re-elected => conservative ideas win’ is a legit conclusion.

Actually, just as FDR solidifying the New Deal was a death blow to American governance that existed prior to FDR, Obama’s re-election is the hinge on which our future depends. One path - Euro-socialism - is the inevitable result of obama’s re-election. Why? because the Dems know that once they create a clientele for their programs, its easy to keep them and hard to repeal them - THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN COUNTING ON ALL ALONG. They know it would hurt politically to go far left, but Pelosi and Obama didnt care, they are that extreme. The ONLY way to stop them is complete and utter fumigation.

The other path - Romney’s win - will be a rejection of same, seen as such, and will lead to ‘renormalization’ of politics around a smaller govt role.

“Frankly, I think we have a much better chance of successfully fighting off socialized medicine and higher taxes with Obama in office by a plurality fluke and a clear, documented majority opposed”

Really?!? You should know better. THINK about it. We got that rejection in 2010. A whole GOP House. How much of Obamacare was dismantled in 2011? How much defunded? NONE OF IT!!! Obama re-elected = socialized medicine is here to stay, that is his legacy and you will need a crowbar to take it out. Even a GOP House didnt have the balls to cut off funding or go to the mat with a shutdown. And if Obama wins we will probably have a Dem senate with him anyway. So that means Obamacare repeal is toast.

“Romney in office means a Republican power elite telling conservative Republicans: “Look, the only reason the GOP even has the White House is because of us ‘moderates,’ so sit down and shut up.”

To which we answer - “H*LL NO.”
Perhaps what you fail to see is the possibility that you vote for Romney on Tuesday, hope he wins, and if he does, on Wednesday, join the ‘loyal conservative opposition’ to make sure every conservative promise he made was kept, and every liberal tendency is vigorously opposed. We’ll have Congressional allies on the right to be there.

“I dutifully voted for Schwarzenegger”

As Mr T put it: I pity the fool. “where voting “pragmatically” is voting against our own moral and finiancial self-interest.” -— sounds contradictory; then change the algorithm. I cant save Cali.

I appreciate your kind words but what’s funny is that people makes assumptions. I am not as tied up in caring for the GOP-E as you seem to think,
and I know we all will make our own decisions. And for most of us, we dont know what the right answer even if we pretend to.

All I know is this: If the answer is “Let Obama get re-elected” It’s a pretty stupid question!
Obama isn’t Working. Fire him.

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