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To: Dragonspirit
You don’t win by losing, you win by winning.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. In 2004, Republicans won big, but George W. Bush squandered his mandate and got entangled in things he should never have bothered with, including amnesty for illegal immigrants. That caused a defeat in 2006 and a huge loss in 2008 because Bush, like his father, was viewed as someone who had betrayed those who put him in office. That's one way you lose by winning.

In 2012, we are faced with the prospect of electing a Republican whose record indicates that he will begin betraying conservatives on day one after he's inaugurated. His record in Massachusetts is also one of causing party discord by promoting liberals and snubbing conservatives. Based on what we've seen from recent history, if Romney is president, we can therefore expect a catastrophic legislative defeat in 2014 and further losses in 2016 including the loss of the presidency--conservatives will not vote for a Judas once he is known as such. The Democrat coming into power in 2016 will have full control of everything with no hope of stopping him/her.

Now do you get it? This is not as simple as "you don't win by losing." Sometimes, in the long run, you do just that.
144 posted on 05/01/2012 11:20:10 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Antoninus

In the long run, if you see Obama win re-election, you will have more liberal entitlement programs, more disability/welfare, more of everything the liberal agenda entails. The paradigm will shift yet again, and socialism will become the center. In 1992, the whole “Dont Ask Dont Tell” policy was considered a compromise, now it is considered an out of mainstream far right position. We lost by losing, which is always what happens.

It is crazy to me that you muster more antipathy toward Romney for what you think he might do on Day 1, then what Obama HAS done on Day 1. You think you are going to get Sarah Palin or John Bolton in 2016 if Romney loses? Nope, you are going to get Michael Bloomberg if Romney loses. Both parties always move to the center following a loss.

There is no re-do, there is no punishment to those who nominate the candidate you didn’t prefer. They most certainly will not “learn their lesson” if you support Obama for spite. They will become apathetic and move more to the left. If you want instead to move the country to its roots on the right, you need to make winning a habit.


148 posted on 05/01/2012 12:19:17 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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