Let's put this to bed. We have bigger fish to fry.

Everyone please send whatever you are able to, whether it is $10, $100 or $1,000+. The DUmmies, Morons, Kos Kiddies and that crew are laughing up their sleeves. Jim may have to make this site members only or allow ads. Better for us to just help with what we can. Maybe you can donate as a memorial for a lost loved one, a servicemember who never made it home or was disabled defending our country. Perhaps you'd like to give to keep free discussion alive and to show them that we're not knuckling under. I'm sure a well thought out or prayerful meditation will lead you to see the need and how you can help. If every registered FReeper and our lurkers would each just help out with a fin or a sawbuck, or better yet a Ben Franklin, we could put this to bed and get on with the conservative cause.

Yup, I've seen those posts. Quite frankly, I no longer understand what's up or down, right or wrong on this site anymore.

Flooding the zone by the trolls.

The Wisdom of Crowds works best when the group involved is what FR used to be: passionate, with a majority or strong plurality with certain views in common, but willing to listen and debate honestly.

When too many trolls come on board -- and they need not be disruptive in the sense of strife, but just in the sense of refusing to listen or change their minds, continuing the refuted talking points -- then one of two things can happen, both bad.

First, the site loses cohesiveness and focus, and internecine warfare breaks out. Or second, there is a mass purge and the free-wheeling debate which led to everything being winnowed down to truth in very short order, goes by the wayside.

It used to be the "older" FReepers would act as unofficial shepherds to keep things in line: but with the succession of erstwhile conservative Presidential claimants (the more so as the Heiress Apparent held off due to a withering barrage from the Dems, and no support from the GOP, and trolls here stirring up dissension), where each claimaint had their own choir, and a failure to coalesce around ONE candidate -- the unity of the site broke up, to reflect the splintering of the party as a whole.

The REASON for this, is that the GOP has discovered the Dem technique of forking: pressing forward, being prepared to exploit whatever happens as though THAT had been your intent all along.

So, if Romney gets the nomination and wins against a weak ~~Jimmuh~~ Dhimmi Carter II, that "proves" that the big tent strategy worked; but if he loses, that "proves" that the purity fascisct social conservatives just gunked up the works.

Romney is the ultimate trojan horse of the GOP-e to try to separate the social conservatives from the fiscal conservatives. And if his flying monkeyshadn't stabbed Palin repeatedly beginning with the 2008 CAMPAIGN, and the rest of the GOP hadn't been having too much fun spending like drunken sailors (allowing Obaama to run to the right of them), and if Dubya had defended himself and provided for a viable successor candidate for the Presidency, we wouldn't be in these straits.

The GOP-e is trying the same technique here on FR.

That being said: I respect those who say "they cannot in good conscience vote for Romney". But I cannot in good conscience, allow Obaama a free return trip to the Oval Office. He bids fair to destroy the last bastion of freedom on Earth, the US: and on multiple fronts--the judiciary, converting our currency like unto that of Zimbabwe, destroying our economy through nationalizing energy, destroying our health care industry, and controlling the food supply as well as laws allowing the imprisonment and execution of US citizens without trial or counsel; not to mention unilateral nuclear disarmament.

All at the same time.

The problem is simply that we are in a moral dilemma NOW, due to concerted efforts by the enemies of morality and freedom over the past, say, fifty or sixty years. The sin is much more in those who were not sufficiently vigilant, rather than those of us left with no good choices in this last-ditch effort.

Pray. Work hard. Subvert the GOP from within -- see the Precinct Committeman Project.

NO Cheers, unfortunately.

I believe As one famous FREEPER said in a phonecon:

[OThuga] will shoot me in the head.
Romney will make me die of cancer. I’ll take the cancer because it gives me some time to put my affairs in order.

However, I do NOT BELIEVE AT ALL that our voting makes a bit of difference:

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29.”The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self createdscreen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.” New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

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105.”In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way”. Teddy Roosevelt

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1883: What part has Skull & Bones played in our elections? Professor Carroll Quigley was President Clinton’s mentor, and in Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In our Time the professor revealed that William C. Whitney (S&B) and others, in the late 19th century, developed a plan to control both major political parties through financial contributions and have the two main parties alternate power so the public would think it had a choice.[7] \

Professor Quigley said Whitney’s plan lasted about 16 years, and after that, the “Eastern Establishment” (power elite) moved the Democrat and Republican presidential candidates toward the political center:

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While the Fabians were using education to move the public toward socialism, Rhodes Scholars were obtaining important posts in universities, and Carl Haessler (RS) was helping to establish Socialist Sunday Schools for younger people. [16] About the same time, socialist John Dewey, who had been mentored by G. Stanley Hall, who was brought to Johns Hopkins University by its president, Daniel Coit Gilman (S&B), was instituting “progressive education” in classrooms across our nation. [17] And like the RS influence in journalism, economics, and politics, Skull and Bones members also became involved in these areas. In journalism, Richard Ely Danielson would become the publisher of Atlantic Monthly, Russell Wheeler Davenport would become the editor of Fortune magazine, and Henry Luce would become the founder of Time. [18] Henry Luce’s biographer, Robert Herzstein, wrote:

“Early on, young Harry (Henry Luce) learned that a powerful circle of contacts and friends could move the world.”[19]

As far as Rhodes was concerned, his plan would be carried out via Rhodes Scholars and Round Table Groups, which grew out of his secret “Society of the Elect.” Rhodes’ secret society lasted almost six decades, by which time enough of his people had penetrated the areas of politics, economics, journalism, and education so that his “conspiracy” was replaced by a network of the power elite. [13] We know that the conspiracy lasted well into the 20th century, because in 1931 one of its key operatives, historian Arnold Toynbee, wrote:
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“We are at present working discreetly with all our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local nation states of the world. All the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands.”[14]

1919: After World War I ended, members of Cecil Rhodes’ Round Table Group (largely under the direction of Rhodes’ successor, Lord Alfred Milner) met with The Inquiry, led by Colonel Edward Mandell House. Working with the Fabian Socialists, they established the Royal Institute of International Affairs and its American branch, the Council on Foreign Relations.[23] The CFR was largely under the control of associates of J.P. Morgan, some of whom were S&B members such as Henry P. Davison and Averell Harriman.[24] Averell Harriman’s brother, E. Roland Harriman, was a member of the CFR; he was initiated into S&B in 1917 along with Prescott Sheldon Bush, George W. Bush’s grandfather.[25]

1928: H.G. Wells authored The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution. By then he had broken with the Fabians, not in terms of their goals, but only in believing that they should be open about their plan to synthesize western capitalism with eastern communism, and create a world socialist government. In a later book titled The New World Order, Wells said that many would die protesting against it.[26] In the same year as The Open Conspiracy was published, H.G. Wells received a letter from Bertrand Russell congratulating him, and saying:

“(Lord R.B.) Haldane (FS) would not forego the pleasure to be derived from the next war.”[27]

Bertrand Russell would later write that a “Black Death” or bacteriological warfare might be needed to cull the population.[28] Wells had already written that ‘they would have a cause that “would make killing worth the while.”[29]

40.”The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds’ central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.”

Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

Berit’s comment: These historical facts are not included in American social studies! But it’s not too late to take a look at the roots and rulers behind today’s political, economic, cultural and spiritual transformation. These handpicked leaders were chosen and groomed for their future roles as single-minded, pragmatic globalist change agents. According to their strengths and ideological compliance, they are placed where they’re needed — in banks, the media, U.S. Congress, government bureaucracies, etc. They despise our faith and values! In recent decades, potential young leaders have been brought together to be trained and tested at every UN Conference and many other global events.

Most of the above are from the first link below:

http://twoday.net/static/omega/files/quotes_from_people_who_consider_us_subjects.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Creating-New-Civilization-Politics-Third/dp/1570362246/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334097380&sr=1-5

If you knew me, you'd know that aside from a penchant for making a point with a single graphic, the pettiness requisite for trolling is not part of my genome.

My 'concern' is solely for the continued existence of FR as a vibrant clearinghouse for conservative grassroots information exchange and activism.

And I do find the internecine warfare amongst FReepers both counterproductive to our common cause and extremely helpful to the enemy.

The energy that's been wasted on childish bickering in this thread alone is a shameful embarrassment, imho.

While I totally understand the loathing that Romney begets, and agree with about 97% of it, we've allowed it to create a circular firing squad in here.

There's a Communist Traitor in OUR White House, and the GOP-eunuchs have foisted a gutless chameleon upon us because that's what most of them see in their mirrors.

It's a clusterf**k in the truest sense of the term, and the longer it goes on the slimmer the chances of a peaceful resolution become.

Though it's been a source of much regret in times past, at the moment I'm grateful for not having children, and sorely feel for those who do.

This summer is shaping up to be violent, especially for those in urban areas; the very violence that's been used as a subliminally threatening cordon around the Usurper.

I've seen at least one FReeper with a tagline that says: Our forefathers would've been shooting by now and instinctively recognize a lot of truth therein.

And that anger at the nazification of our Nation, shared by millions and millions, has many in here at each others' throats instead of aiming at the true enemies.

Which brings us back to the clusterf**k of Romney, and around and around and around it'll go til November and then .. Pandora ?

/rambling

You're missing something here.

History may not be circular, they say, but it rhymes.

The founders were fighting against tyranny in the form of hereditary monarchy; they established a republic, fully aware of the difficulty of sustaining such; we now are facing potentially the waning days of that Republic, due to the concerted efforts of malfeasants who sought to undermine the moral glue, common culture, sense of history, family structure, finances, and military strength of that Republic, in the service of totalitarian dictatorship.

The problem is that while the Founders had to fight a one-front war, we have to fight on a number of fronts, due to the lassitude of those before us in confronting and extinguishing the vanguards, the camels' noses under the tent, of those first sent to subvert our culture.

The splitting is between those who are concerned primarily with whether their vote is a sacred pledge of their principles, and those, who while still honoring the principles, wish to fight a greater enemy. Compare Churchill's remark that if Hitler invaded Hell, that Churchill would at least make a favorable reference to the Devil in the house of commons.

I will not vote FOR Romney; I am voting very much against Obaama. He wants to institute (in effect) unilateral nuclear disarmament: and next to airborne Ebola, there is nothing I fear more than a full nuclear strike on the US, or the slavery which would be vouchsafed as the only alternative to such.

Romney presents the problem that he will present himself as the cutting of the Gordian knot, "how do we get rid of the pesky social conservatives in the GOP", especially as his business expertise, combining with the pent-up creative and entrepreneurial longings of the American people (not *yet* fully asphyxiated after four years of Obaama's hands on its throat), will unleash a huge economic revivial -- for which the GOP-e will get credit, they deem.

I fear that the results will be more muddled as a result of unfunded liabilities, the effects of Obaamacare and the aging of the population, and the ticking time bombs, race hatreds, and obstruction of the Dems still in office after this election.

Let us all continue to pray and to work hard to advance conservatism on all fronts: just mimic the left's strategies during their Gramscian march through the institutions: with the proviso that they took advantage of the good hearts and naïveté of those in power in the 40s, 50s, and 60s'; we in trying to reclaim the institutions will be fighting uphill against those who have no wish to share power, and are already beyond shame and pity.

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