Posted on 04/21/2012 9:36:37 PM PDT by olcurmudgeon
Washington D.C. – Marco Rubio says he wants his version of the DREAM Act in effect by fall, just in time for undocumented students to be able to attend college fall semester. Rubio, in two separate events in Washington D.C., said his plan is still being hammered out, and important details – such as the minimum and maximum age of those who would qualify – were yet to be determined. “We’re involving the DREAMers” in the drafting of the measure, he said, using the term that refers to undocumented youth brought to the country by their parents. “We’re involving the kids themselves.” Asked by a reporter when it will be introduced in the Senate, Rubio said: “When it’s ready. It won’t be next week.” He said he hopes it gets introduced by summer and passed by fall.
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I guess you could but most minority voters would still vote for Leftists. I suppose one could argue that GWB out-pandered Obama (so far) because Bush really tried to push amnesty through, while Obama talked about it, then did nothing. "See you at the signing" tore the GOP apart, but it didn't help McCain much.
Several problems with this:
1) Some GOP congresscritters are really good at getting swindled at this kind of thing (or maybe they pretend they didn't really understand that GWB's 2007 amnesty bill "triggers" would not work at all).
2) Right now the Left says it rejects The Rubio Dream Act because it doesn't include "a path to citizenship," but strategically it would be very good for them to get a foot in the amnesty door, even without citizenship. They could add the other goodies later by several means, including the help of rogue judges and RINOs who think pandering will keep them or put them in office.
3) A lot can happen to a bill on its metamorphosis from Rubio's website to a bill that would get 60 senate votes, and I'll bet many of those changes would be concessions to the Left.
Congress has passed enough bad bills recently. They vote for them without even knowing (they claim) what is in them (see Pelosi).
So another of the AMNESTY Bill advocates of the RINO Party gets well outed...
Mario and Willard are a good team...
I don't really see how Republican win. What do they stand FOR that appeals to most American voters considering the massive change in demographics the past ~15 years?
Their message is : “ Vote against Obama because you are mad at him because things are bad.” But his personal likability is still high much higher than Republicans. The economic conditions are crappy but unless the opposing side can convince the voters that they have a better approach that will not make them winners. Hispanics are going to pose a big problem for Republicans this election.
I agree that giving in on anything risks incremental-ism, rather than backlash against the other side,
And guess what self-promoting radio/TV talk show host (claims to be a Reagan conservative) is Rubio's biggest backer for V.P.?
For me personally, any kind of dream act is a deal breaker.
There is an art to this type of warfare. Dems have perfected it.
What they do is once it looks like the other side might go for it then slip in a amendment for condition in that Dems cant possibly support. Then be prepared to claim that deal was struck between parties but the extremists on the Dem side forced their leaders to reject it. And name it something like :”The immigration fairness for all reform Act”
Try this FOR EXAMPLE: all that apply must sign a swearing statement that they will never apply for citizenship under the penalty of deportation . That should kill it.
I oppose the Illegal Immigrants Education Subsidy (”DREAM”) Act no matter when it is advocated, but the timing particularly sucks: it gets voted on in early Fall, Republicans vote against it, Hispanics are pissed off and vote Democratic.
I wonder about the response to that poll question. Are the poll respondents answering based on what they think they should answer to not "be a racist?" The only real poll that matters is the vote in Nov., but a Romney victory would be no guarantee whatsoever of a POTUS who would do the right things.
I have no doubt that it gives him some support but also Republicans have done little to endear themselves to voters the past 16 months, and Romney is pretty cold and stiff.
A while back Romney made a comment about how he is not worried about the poor because they have a social safety to protect them unlike us. The Dems immediately ponced and Romney backtracked to say he didnt mean it.
Now there was an opportunity to point out how rising food prices hurt those of us who are not part of the ‘food stamp nation’ who are being protected from Obama’s failed policies using our tax money, but Romney just got spooked and dropped the whole subject.
Not inspiring.
That would indeed kill it : )
Agreed.
Lets say that provision was in a bill that passed, meaning Republicans didn't cave to get a bill (which I bet a POTUS Romney would try as GWB did) and so some Dems supported this to get it through the Senate (very unlikely.)
Getting Dem votes for this would be a move towards expanding the idea to those born here of illegal parents, which is why Dems would never go for it.
Those are supposed to be policy questions, but I can see them affecting R's "likeability."
Not everyone will agree, but personally I think the "off-color" Limbaugh Fluke comments, Obama's counterattack (likely planned before as part of the trap), and the defense of Limbaugh by some on the Right, puts at least a temporary burden on GOP candidates. Romney was lucky that a CNN Dem operative attacked his wife, but the subject surely will materialize again.
” Romney was lucky that a CNN Dem operative attacked his wife, but the subject surely will materialize again.”
I hope the Dems are that stupid, but usually, they are shrewd (read evil).
Rom’s wife raised a bunch of kids successfully.
She has battled major illnesses.
I cant disagree with that but I also think their move on the ‘religious freedom’ battle wrt employer mandates, not even in effect yet, was not thought out, was poorly planned and poorly executed. Dems were much more effective using it as a vehicle to declare a Republican ‘war on women.’
I had a bad feeling about it from the start and now congressional Republicans have abandoned that fight, much as they did the FICA fight.
The 'Ryan Plan 2' restores the cuts in the military made in Boehner's House's keystone deficit reduction bill, where Boehner got 95% of what he wanted.
Pretty pathetic record.
At least the religious freedom issue had something noble in its roots. Although I agree with Limbaugh that forcing the rest of us to pay for medically unnecessary birth control prescriptions is wrong, the language he used and many FReepers defended was shameful (IMO), and made it easy for O to drum up the "war on women."
Dems were much more effective using it as a vehicle to declare a Republican ‘war on women.’
Except that one of them counter-blundered with the attack on R's wife.
That was some CNN lib and Obama was fast to repudiate her.
On the positive side that “If I Wanted America to Fail…” video is great.
Who had gone to the WH 30+ times. Obama's need to repudiate her didn't pass the momentum to the GOP, but it threw the Left off its game and changed the subject. It was a blunder on the part of a single Dem agent, and Obama had to stop what he was doing to limit the damage.
Looks like he went back what he was doing in little time, I see today he is accusing Republicans of proposing raising the price of college relating to student loans.
I would ask the kids that he is targeting what their future is with 16 trillion + in debt and growing.
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