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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for the discussion. I know some of this is rather pointed, but I'm not upset with you. I'm just frustrated by what we are continually faced with every four years. I want it to stop.

Thank you as well. It is unfortunate that conservatives who are ultimately all on the same side often can't seem to disagree reasonably over what amounts to a difference in strategy rather than a difference in principle.  I generally agree with that, but it's not entirely off base to question where some advocacies germinate from.  If my perception is that a advocated policy might further the desires of Leftists in my own party vs the Leftists in another party, it isn't all that unreasoned to come to the conclusion that Leftists are still going to be the benificiary of that advocacy.  That doesn't mean the advocate realizes the ramifications of everything his advocacy may support in the long run.  And then again, it doesn't mean they don't.

I'm actually frustrated by those who chose not to run. He was not a perfect candidate, but Mitch Daniels was certainly more conservative than Romney, and right on all the issues even if he generally eschews red-meat rhetoric.  I share some of that frustration, but we don't know all things about people.  He may have a good reason for not wanting to run.

I'm just crossing my fingers that we make it to 2016 without things going beyond repair, when we'll hopefully have a much more conservative candidate.  Frankly, I'd like to see a majority enter the Republican Convention this year demanding the whole thing be tossed out on it's ear, and someone new be drafted.  IMO, that's the greatest most patriotic thing that Santorum and Gingrich could do right now.  They should form an exploratory committee and come up with a strategy and some names.  Sorry Newt, no way...  You had your chance and it wasn't you.

Failing that, we have got to start a Conservative coalition that will end the Republican party's lock on the nomination process.  It's past time for a civil war in the Republican party.

5 posted on 04/20/2012 5:58:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Although we've disagreed on some things over the years, I've always held you and your opinions in high regard, from back in the Buchanan Brigade days.

Are you suggesting that, due to the slide to the left over the last decade, 'we' conservatives need to hit rock bottom, and build up from there?

I have to admit, back in the glory days of '98, none of us could have ever imagined the cultural shift to the left that has occurred. And, I'm sorry to admit, I don't envision it being righted in my lifetime.

12 posted on 04/20/2012 6:15:10 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: DoughtyOne

#1; pray that the horse learns to sing.
#2; Try to talk every delegate into voting sane.
#3; Surround the convention center with 500k plus and don’t let them leave until they nominate some one good.
#4; surround the convention center with 500k plus and conduct a nomination right there in the open. Get a small radio station to broadcast live so everyone can hear and know what is going on. Take nominations and conduct votes right in the street and then dare the RNC to try and ignore us.
#5; or hell .....pray for the horse to learn to sing.


18 posted on 04/20/2012 6:52:05 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: DoughtyOne; W. W. SMITH
"is there life after the Leftists take over?"

Yeah, but it's mighty oppressive. Truly, today there isn't a 'dimes worth of difference between a Democrat and a Republican.'

But I lay the blame for that squarely on the 98.5 percent of those who call themselves 'conservative' that have never once attended a local district GOP meeting, much less their county or state meetings - or even a local politically active conservative club meeting.

But, more than that, I also blame 'Christians' that attend a church regularly where political issues are rarely if ever mentioned - and active participation in political activism is often openly discouraged.

W. W. SMITH says, "and when they are not prodded into thinking about the difference between parties will end up voting stupid" - which assumes a verifiable and significant difference, which has existed more starkly in the not distant past - but which has faded with the lack of interest in keeping that difference alive at the local district level.

Los Angeles CA has a lot of registered Republican voters, many who claim to be 'very conservative' - but, less than .001 percent of them darken the doors of the many GOP county meetings that take place monthly.

Recently of those 'Republicans' that do show up, near half of them are liberal, and they verge on being able to outvote the slim conservative majority.

Hence, I must take strong exception to much of what is said on this forum by many. They've not fought for conservatism themselves - posting here doesn't cut-the-mustard. They need to get out of the house and go fight for a conservative GOP where they live. If they won't, they haven't a leg to stand on when they complain here.

31 posted on 04/20/2012 7:40:51 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: DoughtyOne

Every year you hit a grand slam in the 9th. Good job, and thank you for your effort here.

We must purge the GOP of RINO control, and we must find a candidate who will tell people of American exceptionalism ....spelled FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t know if we can survive another 4 years of these guttersnipes. I will comment more tomorrow. Thanks again for this fine thread!

Warm regards,

SJB


34 posted on 04/20/2012 7:53:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

” Why would the Republican Party do this? For some time the leadership has been convinced that the nation was heading Left, and it didn’t see any possibility of Conservatives being elected. Rather than look at our rich history and notice that our widest victories were realized when we played on our differences with Leftist policy, they decided to adopt more Leftist policy in an attempt to look more appealing. And as this took place, the information dispensed to the public heralding Conservatism ceased. And as the push for Conservatism ceased, the nation moved farther left.”

Take a look at the fossils we have in the House & Senate. They have been there for decades. All they care about is themselves. We need TERM LIMITS, so these people don’t get too comfortable and come to believe that their office belongs to them!!

Lugar age 80

Hatch age 78......still RUNNING!!


59 posted on 04/21/2012 10:17:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Where is everybody?

Sheesh..


60 posted on 04/21/2012 1:33:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’ll be voting downticket and supporting conservative candidates with my dwindling $$ in whatever capacity I can. More like Allen West, Tim Scott, Sam Rohrer, these are the guys who will generate the pieces of legislation. We need the Senate in addition to holding the house. Repeal 0bamacare, reverse the Bush tax cut expiration and quit the overspending a get a real plan on the table. I’m with the candidates that will do that. If Romney is to be the candidate, he can do it without my support...but if we have majorities in both houses, he wil go along with that. I’m backing Newt in Tuesday’s Pa. primary. And I’m curious as to why Romney showed up with him here in Lancaster...is Romney considering him for VP??? It was a curious move. I like Rubio but he has to serve at east one term in the Senate. Same for West in the House. Newt would be a good fit if he doesn’t have a chance at the top spot. I’m still not convinced that he’s through. I suppose we’ll knw more after Tuesday...


89 posted on 04/22/2012 6:54:50 PM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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