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When I start threads with my thoughts, I like to let people bounce their opinions off them for a while.  Once I've made my case, I think it's your turn.

In this instance, I'm going to post some of my responses to objections to these thoughts from another thread.  I'm not going to post who wrote them to me.  We parted amicably and I'm not interested in casting dispersions.  The objections as stated were common ones.  I think it's reasoned to confront them on this thread as part of the discussion on this topic.

So, okay, it's your turn.  Later...

1 posted on 04/20/2012 5:55:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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2 posted on 04/20/2012 5:56:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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They didn’t just leave. They sold it to Soros!


6 posted on 04/20/2012 5:59:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: DoughtyOne
I happen to agree with you. I'm not a republican. I'm conservative. And every cycle, hope the GOP has a conservative to vote for. And sadly, that has not been the case for far too long.

So I won't vote for a liberal. Ever.

Especially Romney. In fact, I do, and will campaign AGAINST him to all my friends, associates, and family.

The insanity has to stop.

We have one liberal party with two faces.

/johnny

7 posted on 04/20/2012 6:01:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well said, old friend. And now it’s time to don your kevlar briefs because you’ve undoubtedly antagonized FR’s Vidkun Quisling Brigade.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 6:13:58 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DoughtyOne

I was a registered Republican since 18 up till 6 months ago..I’m now a registered Independent. Never again will I vote for the lesser of evils...I’ll let God Almighty sort it out!


13 posted on 04/20/2012 6:26:18 PM PDT by hope
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To: DoughtyOne

1980 [L-—d-—r-c-————R] *
1984 [L—d——r-c-————R] *
1988 [L—d-—r—c-————R] *
1992 [L—d-—r—c-————R]
1996 [L—d-—r—c-————R]
2000 [L—d—r-—c-————R] *
2004 [L-d—r——c-————R] *
2008 [Ld—r-——c-————R]
2012 [Ld—r-——c-————R]

I really like this, it shows what I have been trying to tell people for years.
The media is out there at the finish line cheering on the parties race to the end. With the Democrats in the lead the Republicans have the last few decades been pushing hard to at least catch up. This election cycle will see the parties reaching the finish line with Obama and Romney arguing over which of them can get us there quicker. The end result will be the enslavement of this nations citizens. Isn’t that special?


14 posted on 04/20/2012 6:30:07 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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Well done.

Whomever it was that told you conservatives aren’t in the majority hasn’t seen repeated polling that shows Americans identify themselves, in the main, as center-right. They’re concerned for their families and their well-being, they are concerned that runaway spending is selling them up the river, and they want to feel safe in their homes and the country generally.

The Republican Party refuses with all its being to cater to these people. Instead, they go along to get along, get invited to all the right parties, and ride the gravy train in the seats right behind the engineers in the Democrat Party.

Should Mutt Romney be elected President, we won’t get a chance to even try to nominate a conservative candidate until 2020 — at which time, the Republic may well be either destroyed or damaged beyond repair.

I’m not going to support that by voting for Romney simply because he has an “R” by his name. I’ll fight like hell for conservatives at every level of the downticket, but Mutt can take a long walk off a short dock.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 6:31:08 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (There will be no vote for Myth Romney in my house. Period.)
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Too much color for me, I tried to read the thread, but no go on all this colored text.


16 posted on 04/20/2012 6:36:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: DoughtyOne; Jim Robinson
I think you are missing one big thing here. A lot of people here may not like it, but it is just my opinion. (I've been considering writing a vanity on this for a while).

Conservatives have failed Reagan. Reagan was not a victorious Conservative because he was a champion of the government fixing problems for Conservatives. On the contrary, he taught us the scariest words in the English language: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Reagan simply reminded us that the greatness in the United States comes not from the government, but from her people. Reagan said unleash that greatness.

Have we unleashed greatness?

In my opinion, no.

We took a few years of believing in the greatness that Reagan reminded us of and instead of nurturing greatness within ourselves, we kept looking at politicians to help.

Don’t get me wrong, there were moments. The Tea Party seemed on the verge of restoring people’s faith in themselves. And while they did stand for Conservative policies, once again they missed the principle; stopping with wanting someone from the government who is here to help.

We would not have Obamacare if a majority in this country found the thought of having their butt wiped by the government appealing.

The GOP”e” can’t give us their “e” candidate if it weren’t for millions of individual people voting for that “e” candidate. We can’t even really blame Democrats crossing over. Republicans and Democrats voting for non-Conservative candidates are a failure of Conservatives joining in the cheer of looking for someone from the government who is here to help instead of communicating individual Conservativism.

We need, for the lack of a better term, a revival. We need an awakening that the answer doesn’t come from the next election or the next politician. The answer comes when 300 million people stand up to 300 politicians and say, enough, we don’t need you. We won’t accept your help or your promises.

The only way that will happen is if people start living individual Conservativism in their own homes first. Then, take it to their neighbors, their friends, and their family. In essence, it is a philosophical Going Galt.

You talk about voting for the lesser of two evils, but how often does politics give us any different. It is the very nature of politics. It attracts people who want to control others. Maybe once in a lifetime we get a statesman who doesn’t fit that mold, but they are so rare, we should never expect it. If you want someone who isn’t a ‘lesser evil’ you won’t find it in DC or wanting any hall of leadership. They are found leading businesses, in operating rooms, raising children, even bagging your groceries. That is the greatness of this country. Not politicians from the government, here to help.

Sadly, I saw someone on this very site, who everyone respects recently say “I am not a leader”. This is the core of our problems. We are looking outward for leaders from the government who is here to help. We need to wake up and realize, we are all leaders. It is our responsibility to make the country Conservative, not some guy from the government who is here to help.

So I’m sorry Mr. and Mrs. Conservative. You are a leader, whether you like it or not. Now lead. But lead people away from DC, not to it. D.C. is not the promised land of a future leader, it is our slave-master of Egypt we should get away from.

::rant off::

17 posted on 04/20/2012 6:50:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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All this is mostly true. However, we have to support Romney now because former 1988 rivals Dole and GHWB say we must. Well, we just must.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 7:15:32 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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Have to bookmark for tomorrow..too late to put a coherent contribution just now...but let’s say I’m very much in agreement with most if not all of your thoughts here. Sad mostly.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 7:27:17 PM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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Not voting is a vote for Comrade Barack.


27 posted on 04/20/2012 7:30:16 PM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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To: DoughtyOne

I cannot argue with one word of your article. It’s exactly how I feel. I am sick of voting for the lesser of two evils and refuse to do it anymore.


30 posted on 04/20/2012 7:38:13 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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A thoughtful analysis about exactly why this is so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8g5S0z5Y4&feature=relmfu

I greatly miss Milton Friedman the way I missed Ronald Reagan. I pine for men to fill their shoes.

32 posted on 04/20/2012 7:44:29 PM PDT by PapaNew
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Excellent post. I was blasted four years ago when I said we should not vote for the GOP establishment candidate, that it was time to let the GOPe know we would not br taken for granted. I said the same eight years ago. If we had acted then we would not be faced with Romney.

You make a great point about the next election. If Romney wins this one we have Romney as the choice for eight years as.prez.. That is eight years of more shifting to the left and by then all firearms will be illegal. If Romney were a Dem I would not, could not votr for him. As as Republican I cant and wont vote for him either.

My party left me. I will vote for the best third party conservative candidate. Will some conservative please show me where I can send my contribution, lend my support and for whom I can cast a vote.


33 posted on 04/20/2012 7:51:13 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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Another video with Milton Friedman that goes a bit more in depth on this subject of why do people and societies tend to move towards collectivism. He's aged quite a bit here, but he articulates the heart of the issue better than anyone I've heard.

If you don't want to hear all 29 minutes, he hits these points at 4 minutes, 8 minutes, and 10 minutes. At 12:00 in the video, he asserts (1994) that we were more than 50% socialist. We're much worse now. He discusses in a way few do, why this inexorable move to the left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15idnfuyqXs&feature=related

36 posted on 04/20/2012 8:05:02 PM PDT by PapaNew
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38 posted on 04/20/2012 8:53:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it ain't Newt, we're screwt !)
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...is there life after the Leftists take over?

Probably not, but implicit in your question is the belief that they have not yet taken over and with this I agree.

The problem is the following IMHO:

A Marxist ideologue is President. His party's leadership is the same. Leadership of the opposing party also include some of the same elements. The Marxists have a compliant media who will never call them out for anything. My seat-of-the-pants guesstimate is that at least 95% of Americans have no idea of what these facts could mean for our safety and liberty. All those of us who do understand can only guess as to the specifics of the future we face if the Marxists maintain control.

I have confidence if Americans understood these facts they would do the right thing such that neo-liberalism / socialism / communism / statism would diminish to the point of political insignificance.

So the cure starts with education. Teach what it is that makes America exceptional. Teach what the founding fathers gave us and why it is so different from any other system of government. Teach what Marxism is and why and how it killed millions. Imagine a classroom with Newt and others as teachers putting this all together for the American people.

In the mean time, we need to build a power base. The question is how. What are the most practical steps to take to achieve this end and to ensure that the Marxists are not able to destroy liberty such that it cannot return without America devolving into a soul and spirit destroying statist atrocity -- a thing that precludes the return of America forever?

These are tough questions and the answers require leaders of a caliber up to those leaders of the first American Revolution. By now, for all I know, that leadership may already have formed or be in the process of so doing. The original founders were pretty coy in the lead up to the beginning of the Revolution. I mean, this ain't beanbag, folks.

I understand the founders always knew it would come to this. As they look down on us now, I wonder what they're thinking?

39 posted on 04/20/2012 8:59:32 PM PDT by No One Special
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Choosing a President: The Long-Awaited Dan Mitchell Endorsement

40 posted on 04/20/2012 9:57:33 PM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." --Kool-Aid)
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Many thanks for this, you’ve well summarized the drift of our society over the past century.

Along with this is a video, “The American Form Of Government”
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE )
that lays out just what type we should have - and the warning that we are headed to a tyranny of the elite!


42 posted on 04/20/2012 11:13:54 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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