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New Account: Zimmerman Told Cops Trayvon's Last Words Were 'Okay, You Got It' [and more details]
Daily Beast ^ | Apr 19, 2012 | Aram Roston

Posted on 04/19/2012 11:36:58 AM PDT by kevcol

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To: kevcol

There are some sick puppies posting comments there.


21 posted on 04/19/2012 1:15:35 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: kevcol

The slam dunk for this will be found with the autopsy report, and it will be based on how the bullet went through Martin’s body. The angle of the bullet track will show whether Martin was standing upright, was on top of Zimmerman as he described, or otherwise.

If he was straddling Zimmerman, with Zimmerman firing up, the bullet track is going to be very obvious and almost impossible to reproduce were they both, or even if one or the other were standing up.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 1:16:42 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: kevcol
In any sort of rational trial, the Prosecutor has to show that Zimmerman initiated force against Martin by attacking or by threatening him. It doesn't sound like the she has a snowball's chance of doing so to me.

What is left is an emotional appeal. If the Prosecutor can get a sufficiently incompetent jury, she might be able to sway them with emotional arguments and with threats racial unrest.

We'll see which path she follows and how bad she wants the conviction.

23 posted on 04/19/2012 1:22:07 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Having never been in that position with another person...all I can to is visualize in my mind..

And I don't see your take..at all.

The muzzle of the pistol could have been in angles we can't even imagine.

Fwiw-

24 posted on 04/19/2012 1:23:26 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I’ve repeatedly said that Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his truck. The prosecutor can try to use that, but the next words out of the defense’s mouth is “Trayvon Martin should never have turned around to confront the man following him.”
Both of them were stupid.


25 posted on 04/19/2012 1:24:19 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: kevcol

Why is “new account” in the title? What’s new?


26 posted on 04/19/2012 1:27:14 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou

ahhhh...the words of a liberal finally coming to terms that she was WRONG but can’t admit it so she blames BOTH PARTIES.


27 posted on 04/19/2012 1:30:44 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Clara Lou

I don`t think Zimmerman`s decision was particularly wise. It`s his call though, and leaving his truck is not criminal nor does it make him responsible for the final outcome.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 1:35:19 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: kevcol

It is an odd article. The writer seemed conflicted, which led to choppy, contradictory and confusing writing.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 1:49:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: kevcol

Where was the gun on Mr Zimmerman’s body?

If the gun was at the waist, then what was trayvon’s hands doing down there?

If a guy is bashing another man’s head on the pavement, wouldn’t his hands be at the shoulders or above?

When did his hands wander to the waist?
Then, was the gun in the front or back?

When trayvon was straddling Mr Zimmerman, did his knee accidentaly hit the gun, thus notifying trayvon that a gun was available and that’s when both of them went for it?


30 posted on 04/19/2012 2:00:54 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: trappedincanuckistan
"“Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground,” Crump said. “We believe that Trayvon went to his grave not knowing who this strange man was that was approaching and confronting him.”"

By "stand his ground" Crump means "Trayvon had a right to start beating Zimmerman when Zimmerman asked him "What are you doing here?"" They're going to need a jury of real 0bamaZombies to buy that.

31 posted on 04/19/2012 2:05:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

If Corey takes Crump`s apparent strategy (don`t forget Corey said the two are in close contact) it`ll be the end of her career.


32 posted on 04/19/2012 2:19:01 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I sure hope so. I hope she is publically humiliated and faces legal repercussions that Nifong her but good.


33 posted on 04/19/2012 2:24:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Even liberals like Dershowitz are calling her charging document weak.


34 posted on 04/19/2012 2:29:02 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan
I should say it's weak. It's supposed to be a charging affidavit of probable cause and I can't find one word in it that establishes any probable cause.

AFFIDAVIT OF PROBABLE CAUSE - SECOND DEGREE MURDER

35 posted on 04/19/2012 2:37:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: capydick; PhilDragoo; All

Note: The second photo in both your posts showing a young black male in a wife beater shirt with a dart board clock in the background IS NOT TRAYVON MARTIN! That’s Tyrone Woodfork, perp in the beating/robbery/murder of a white elderly couple that left the wife dead. Factual innacuracies hurt rather than help to make a point.


36 posted on 04/19/2012 2:54:55 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Osage Orange

They often show this in TV forensic crime dramas. It involves the use of wooden dowels a little smaller than the bullets used. And it is pretty conclusive. They can often tell if a person had their arms up when shot, or not.

Other factors are considered as well, such as powder burns on clothing and skin, how far the bullet traveled through the body, organs it hit enroute. You get two or three matching variables and it is pretty conclusive.

If Martin was straddling a prone Zimmerman and Zimmerman fired up through him, it would be very hard to prove a different shooting scenario.


37 posted on 04/19/2012 2:59:49 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: TigersEye
They're going to need a jury of real 0bamaZombies to buy that.

Surely there is another OJ jury out there if (this time) the prosecution looks had enough.

38 posted on 04/19/2012 3:00:40 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: SpaceBar

Tyrone sure looks different in this pic of him.

39 posted on 04/19/2012 3:03:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
Tyrone sure looks different in this pic of him.

Nevertheless, it's a photo of Woodfork, not Martin.
40 posted on 04/19/2012 3:07:58 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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