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To: Tublecane; Flotsam_Jetsome
This is my favorite birther non-argument. The Framers sought to forestall presidents with foreign loyalties, therefore “natural born citizens” can’t be born dual citizens. I could just as easily argue that because of the same intentions natural born citizens can’t have foreign grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc.

Except that asserts too much. We cannot infer from the fact that they intended the president not to be a foreigner that the phrase contains all the anti-foreign safeguards you can think up. Same goes for all the extra language birthers want to tack onto the 14th amendment. You don’t like “anchor babies,” so you pretend the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” clause excludes them. But it doesn’t, as should be obvious by how many illegal immigrants are daily subjected to the jurisdiction of local police, INS, ICE, etc."


A pretty dang good "non-argument." The NBC clause is a safeguard but no one is saying it is infallible. Obama would be a poster child for what the Founders were trying to prevent as a president. It is you who is being implausible which "asserts too much" and counter to the known historical facts.

The preponderance of evidence is crushing to after-birthers. Not only did the Framers insert the grandfather clause so they were exempt from the natural born citizen clause, but Alexander Hamilton who in his Constitutional draft that he submitted to the convention on June 18, 1787, which was ultimately rejected:

"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."

Born a citizen? Now, where have I read this recently? Hmmmm...

Yes yes... you said it in post 105.

You to Flotsam_Jetsome. "That’s not true just because you want it to be. The truth is much simpler: Born. A. Citizen."

It's obviously apparent that Alexander Hamilton's draft for being "born a citizen" was not adopted in the US Constitution to the qualifications of future presidents.

The story does not end here since "born a citizen" was not instituted.

In comes John Jay's letter from New York City dated 25 July 1787 to George Washington with his proposition.

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen."


It was only a few days after Jay's correspondence with the President of the Constitutional convention that the "natural born citizen" clause found its way into James Madison's prestigious and copious convention notes dated Sept 4th, 1787:

Madison notes: "Mr. BREARLY from the Committee of eleven made a further partial Report as follows...

(5) 'Sect. 2. No person except a natural born citizen or a Citizen of the U. S. at the time of the adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President;...."

http://www.nhccs.org/dfc-0904.txt

It's crushing evidence to you naysayers and much much more that I've left out here.

125 posted on 04/20/2012 12:26:33 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
"It's crushing evidence to you naysayers and much much more that I've left out here."

You rock. :)

126 posted on 04/20/2012 2:25:13 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Red Steel; Tublecane; Flotsam_Jetsome
The preponderance of evidence is crushing to after-birthers.
Hear, hear!
134 posted on 04/20/2012 7:34:59 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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