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Experts say rigorous training needed to prepare gun owners (mild barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 15 apr 2012

Posted on 04/15/2012 5:10:28 AM PDT by rellimpank

Make no mistake - Dodge County Sheriff Todd Nehls is an advocate of concealed carry.

But Nehls wants people seeking permits to take the most rigorous training available, not just what gets a permit. He encourages firearm owners to shoot at a range during the day and at night, and in a variety of weather conditions.

"Strapping on a weapon puts you in a position to make a decision in a split second," Nehls says. "When you pull that handgun in a store to defend yourself or someone else, you don't see a paper target, you see a live human being. You begin to sweat, you begin to shake. You are deciding to intentionally kill another human."

Nehls would like to ask each permit holder: "Are you ready?"

That question is at the heart of the current cultural debate about the use of guns in the name of self-defense, fueled by the controversial shooting deaths of Trayvon Martin in Florida and Bo Morrison in Wisconsin and by laws like the "castle doctrine" in Wisconsin and others labeled "stand yo

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1 posted on 04/15/2012 5:10:30 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
just he presence of personal firearm protection is usually sufficient to pacify those who are threatening.
2 posted on 04/15/2012 5:18:59 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

They want to train our consciousness. These guys realize all too well our properties which could be theirs might slip away. We can organize our own training or responsabilities, thank you. If we can hire a Sheriff and are trained at controling it, then we do not need his advice. Unless he is telling us about something on himself we do not know but should know?


3 posted on 04/15/2012 5:26:15 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: rellimpank

“you don’t see a paper target, you see a live human being”

Yes, you could ask the perp who is a direct threat to your life and possibly others, in that split second you have to decide, how his family is..maybe you could look through each others family photo albums?
I mean before you put a bullet in his non-paper head.


4 posted on 04/15/2012 5:27:11 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: rellimpank

To get a permit to carry a weapon - no. To be ready to use that weapon - yes!

There are three things a person should do. Shooting under all weather conditions. Shooting and reloading under pressure (time constraints are good). Drawing from a usual carry position and accurately firing under pressure.

Practice, practice, and finally, practice!


5 posted on 04/15/2012 5:33:17 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: rellimpank
Nehls would like to ask each permit holder: “Are you ready?”

That is what my instructor said to us and explained it is not like shooting at a target...

As for myself I was raised around guns and taught to shoot at a very early age..I do recommend that anyone get familiar with their gun..learn to clean and above all learn to shoot..

If it came down to the person in front of me and my family I will always choose my family..So yes I could shoot if I felt threatened..

6 posted on 04/15/2012 5:44:58 AM PDT by PLD (what is the difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK..Nothing I can see..)
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To: rellimpank

A quick-draw McGraw is all we need.


7 posted on 04/15/2012 5:46:08 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (hip-aimed accuracy no problem. Who knew?)
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To: bunkerhill7

Use some common sense people. The better and more familiar one is with a gun, the better he/she can use it/shoot it, etc. I agree with the good sheriff that the more practice you have, the SAFER you will be when that moment of truth pops up. It’s called “practice”.


8 posted on 04/15/2012 5:50:08 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: TexasRedeye

The problem is many, many people with carry permits never practice. I was in a required class for a permit in Nevada and there was an older lady with a S&W .38 special revolver that she said she owned for 30-years and had never fired it once...in fact, she didn’t even know that is was a revolver.

I attended a one-day combat handguns course at an academy and it was a fantastic cours. 400-rounds in about 5-hours with many under-loaded magazine reload drills and shoot-no shoot course with walls and doors and life-sized human photo-targets.

I try to shoot at least once a month.

Cheers and keep your finger off the trigger.


9 posted on 04/15/2012 5:56:39 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: rellimpank

Do war veterans get a pass? (rhetorical).


10 posted on 04/15/2012 5:59:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: rellimpank

We should also have extensive training on getting beaten, robbed, and raped. Then you can be educated about which you like better - carrying a firearm, or being a victim.

Because - let’s face facts - being a victim can take a huge mental toll if you are not emotionally prepared for it.


11 posted on 04/15/2012 6:04:52 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: rellimpank

Back in the day when the NYPD used revolvers—they analyzed all their gunfights.
2.7 rounds fired on average for each fight.
MOST shots ranged THREE FEET OR LESS, none more than 21 feet.
Accuracy is really not much of a factor—training either.
BTW—they’re called ‘belly guns’ ‘cause they are pressed against the enemy’s BELLY.


12 posted on 04/15/2012 6:08:36 AM PDT by Flintlock (Picture ID for ALL voting. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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13 posted on 04/15/2012 6:23:12 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: elpadre

I would like to see more proficiency required to get a CCL in FL. Florida requires a minimal demonstration of competency with your firearm. I put 4 shots almost touching each other in a silhouette at about 12 feet and the instructor stopped me and said that’s good enough. A driver’s licence is tougher to get.


14 posted on 04/15/2012 6:40:17 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: rellimpank

“Experts say rigorous training needed to prepare gun owners”
Public schools provide our children with free driver’s training and sex education. I think it’s time to teach every child how to safely use a firearm. It’s a safety and health issue.


15 posted on 04/15/2012 6:53:07 AM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: rellimpank

Start teaching marksmanship, safe handling, and ethics of self defense...

In grade school.

It’d obviate the need for silliness like this.


16 posted on 04/15/2012 7:14:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: running_dog_lackey

Interesting, in the 60’s we had both gun safety and boating safety courses in school. In fact a minor could not get a hunting license without attendence. It was free, after school, taught by capable people.

Now as my career winds down, and I have more free time I try and shoot once a week. I wish there were programs available. But with the DAMMED Federal Government, and gun free zones, you would have to find another venue to teach. Thats ok, I don’t usually hang around with liberals.


17 posted on 04/15/2012 7:18:43 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Santorum...the only Conservative in the race.)
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To: TexasRedeye
Practice, practice, and finally, practice!

Exactly. It actually takes very little time to go over the three things you need to know: basic firearms safety; how to operate your firearm (including cleaning!); and when to draw, when to fire.

What takes time and practice (repetition) is making this second nature. Carry around the house, draw on the cat when he/she is chasing the catnip ball. (there's a moving target for you, and the dog is saying please oh please let it be loaded this time... :-) Or draw on the TV, follow a character... (just don't pull and Elvis)

18 posted on 04/15/2012 7:31:36 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: MtBaldy
I would like to see more proficiency required to get a CCL in FL. Florida requires a minimal demonstration of competency with your firearm. I put 4 shots almost touching each other in a silhouette at about 12 feet and the instructor stopped me and said that’s good enough. A driver’s licence is tougher to get.

In PA, getting a license is purely administrative. No written exam, no shooting demo. We haven't had any news stories about CCW holders shooting innocent bystanders left and right (and given the Philadelphia Inquirer, if there HAD been any significant number, we WOULD have heard about it. Every week as a permanent "rogues gallery").

This does not mean that I haven't gotten training and practice. In fact, I got more training the first year than the average police academy graduate gets.

19 posted on 04/15/2012 7:33:38 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Cuttnhorse

For practice, knowledge, proficiency and fun, join in IPSC shoots. Widely varied scenarios, lots of shooting at varied targets, movement, anticipation, practicing application of skills, pressure in the form of competition and speed and just the camaraderie make it a great day. You don’t need to be good as all skill levels participate - but you will get much better with the practice. Go simply watch and you will be hooked.


20 posted on 04/15/2012 7:34:13 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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