My point was that these are two entirely different things. Being in a fraternity is a social club, whereas joining the military is something altogether different, as are the stakes. I'm sure Coast Guard OCS is quite a bit tougher than fraternity hazing too, and I'm sure the guys who've been through BUDs or the Fan Dance can tell stories that make Marine Boot Camp look like the Girl Scouts.
I'll just assume that the tough talking on your part is the Aggie side of you, and not the Marine. Most of the Marines I know don't go around bragging anonymously on the Internet, and the only times they've ever talked about their experience in the Crucible or other aspects of training or combat have come when I've asked them specifically about it.
I'll just assume that the tough talking on your part is the Aggie side of you, and not the Marine. Most of the Marines I know don't go around bragging anonymously on the Internet, and the only times they've ever talked about their experience in the Crucible or other aspects of training or combat have come when I've asked them specifically about it.
I agree with your point completely that frats and the military are different. Someone else was trying to equate training cycles to "hazing" or brutality in order to join or earn the right to be in the Marines.
As for the DI beating and "tough talk"...I was Not bragging. Just stating that "your friend" never got "beat up publicly" by a DI without charges being brought against him. Also that if a "DI had a boot die at his feet of heart failure" and he was the same beating DI that he'd either be in Leavenworth or greeting people at the airport as a TSA agent. I hate when these "war stories" involve Marines being sadistic or douche bags to each other. It chaps my rear.
As far as BUDs being tougher than what I went through. Probably, I frickin hate cold water, HATE IT. I got in it, I trained in it but I hated every single second of being cold and wet with sand everywhere. I was much more partial to heat and humidity and bugs. Just my preference, I don't know why. As far as "crucible". Well you're right, I wasn't tough enough to do that, I'm so old that I never went through "crucible". Had to do some gentle hiking and camping with some nice fellows on the Reaper. Cause Krulak hadn't thought of it yet
You seem to equate "hazing" and BUD's Hell Week or Crucible...That was my point as well. The training cycles of Hell Week, Crucible or even Counter-Guerilla Warfare School are all TRAINING and not a "ritual" to satisfy some sadist punk that is in a frat.
As far as the "tough talk". It's not that tough. Most Marines I know have "heard" of people dying, some have seen someone die and almost everyone that has gone through ITR or any additional schools have had the "bad examples" shoved in their faces as a way of making sure you...attach your line, watch what you're covering, or "thumb clip, pull pin, prepare to throw and throw.... then duck...hahahahaha.