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Navy: The Cruisers Must Go, That Others May Stay (BS: Without Aegis, Carriers Sunk By Silkworms)
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Posted on 04/02/2012 4:12:57 PM PDT by MindBender26

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To: marron

Yes

This is just another thing to add to the list of stupid things that are happening with this administration


21 posted on 04/02/2012 5:14:39 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: magslinger

Pls add me. ty.


22 posted on 04/02/2012 5:15:05 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: MindBender26

The US needs at least 6 carrier battle groups for Command of the Sea. 12 would be better. Ageis cruisers provide missle defense.


23 posted on 04/02/2012 5:20:45 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: MindBender26

Yes, exactly. More money for welfare, “You must love sodomy because sodomy is perfectly normal” training and reconfiguring ships & boats to accomodate females...


24 posted on 04/02/2012 5:22:09 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: MindBender26

The nation will pay the price in blood for poor leadership. Generally, it tis the blood of our children.


25 posted on 04/02/2012 5:22:41 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

What’s left in terms of naval gunfire? Anything that compares to the Wisconsin or New Jersey?


26 posted on 04/02/2012 5:25:44 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Steve Newton

Replace stupid with treasonous and you’re dead right.


27 posted on 04/02/2012 5:27:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 353FMG

Probably a draft plan in the works or almost ready to go after the next election if (heaven forbid) the wun wins or most likely tries to steal it somehow.


28 posted on 04/02/2012 5:28:08 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Squantos

He’s no gundecker. Too many good sailors kept their Division Officers bright and shiny with a bit of creative gundecking.

That....individual is the [BLEEP]ing All-time King Sandcrab.

....and that’s coming from a brownshoe with less sea duty time than some have got falling overboard.


29 posted on 04/02/2012 5:33:33 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((291 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: MindBender26

If anyone is furious over this news, just wait until Obama is re-elected because your fellow Freepers refuse to vote for Romney. Imagine what the commie Muslim traitor will do his 2nd term? But no worry, as long as your fellow Freepers have the satisfaction of not having to pull the lever for Idiot Romney, all is well right?

I can’t stand people who cut off their nose to spite their face.


30 posted on 04/02/2012 6:00:23 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
We are infiltrated by a large group of dems and gays trying to act like Conservatives, stirring up the anti-Mormon nonsense.

Like many FReepers, Romney is far from my ideal candidate, but when it comes down to obama or Romney, there is no questions we must all vote to get rid of Obama.

31 posted on 04/02/2012 6:19:55 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26
The Arleigh Burke class destroyers have about the same AEGIS defense capacity as the Ticos, but they lack the large missile capacity of the Ticonderoga (about 60% of the CG's complement), and have much shorter logisitcal legs than the Ticonderogas.

On the other hand, the Burkes are the ones that are being reworked to serve as floating missile defense platforms (BMD, not just fleet defense) and they have gotten some pretty amazing new sensors and software as part of that upgrade.

For me though, I would prefer having both. And more of each at that.

32 posted on 04/02/2012 6:45:16 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: MindBender26
The Arleigh Burke class destroyers have about the same AEGIS defense capacity as the Ticos, but they lack the large missile capacity of the Ticonderoga (about 60% of the CG's complement), and have much shorter logisitcal legs than the Ticonderogas.

On the other hand, the Burkes are the ones that are being reworked to serve as floating missile defense platforms (BMD, not just fleet defense) and they have gotten some pretty amazing new sensors and software as part of that upgrade.

For me though, I would prefer having both. And more of each at that.

33 posted on 04/02/2012 6:45:30 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: AzSteven

And for some reason I like the Burkes so much it posted twice!


34 posted on 04/02/2012 6:46:38 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: magslinger

Is this what Obama was hinting to Medvedev about when he was caught on a ‘hot mic’?


35 posted on 04/02/2012 6:51:56 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: MindBender26

Hold on bow, aren’t the Aegis Cruisers the only missile defense system we can now deploy? What functionality will the Navy be losing?


36 posted on 04/02/2012 6:55:37 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "If Greece has been knocking back the ouzo, we're face down in the vat.")
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To: DCBryan1
"if we do retire them, give 3 to Israel, 2 to South Korea, and 2 to Japan."

We'd still be paying for 5 of them, with the inflated pass-thru costs.

37 posted on 04/02/2012 7:12:42 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: MindBender26; All
"sunk carriers, dead sailors"!

Well no, not really.

The Burke-class "Destroyers" are 90+% of the size of these Cruisers, newer, more capable and easier to maintain.

And that's the problem...we have an entire FLEET of what are essentially Cruisers. At 8,500 - 10,000 tons many of these ships are bigger than the Cruisers being retired and certainly as big as any Cruiser-class ship we've ever put to sea.

We have 60 in the water today and another 15 on the way.

What we NEED is 50-100 of what would have been called a Destroyer in any other era...but would now be called a Frigate. 4,000 tons with a crew of 120, VLS and all the new Aegis voodoo.

The National Security Frigate now being proposed by Ingalls would be an EXCELLENT choice, but alas the brass is wedded to the LCS concept.

38 posted on 04/02/2012 7:56:21 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Squantos; All

...and the CGX, the replacement for the crusiers has not even left the draing board yet.

This president is doing more to wreck our Navy than the combined might of all the agressor nations of the world have been able to do in the last 50 years.

While the Chinese continue to build a large, modern fleet at breakneck speed...in the last 10 years they have grown with ne modern combatants something like 142% while we have decreased by around 20%...and that’s before the earlier cuts and these.

AEGIS Vessels of the World
http://www.jeffhead.com/aegisvesselsoftheworld/

The Rising Sea Dragon in Asia
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/


39 posted on 04/02/2012 9:04:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes

And what can or will we do about this?


40 posted on 04/02/2012 9:06:56 PM PDT by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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