Posted on 03/31/2012 9:07:17 AM PDT by kristinn
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On Friday, the Daily News obtained EMS documents suggesting Zimmerman, who an ex-colleague said was fired from a security job for being too aggressive, did not sustain serious injuries in the fatal encounter.
Paperwork detailing the EMS response to the shooting scene shows that a call for a second ambulance was canceled.
An audiotape containing the EMS communications, also obtained by The News on Friday, records unidentified workers discussing the scene.
Zimmerman’s condition is mentioned briefly in the 30-minute recording.
“Do we have a second patient?” a man asks.
“That’s affirmative. We have a second patient,” a woman replies. “The second patient is not a gunshot.”
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ZOMBIE.....yikes......its happening like the Walking dead said it would.
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Ummm wouldn’t that mean he’d be dead? That word fatal kind of throws me..
>>I guess the only way to justify self-defense is to sustain fatal injuries. LOL.
In the sick mind of a liberal, you have to allow yourself to be beaten nearly to death before you can defend yourself from a physical assault.
But, if you “feel” that you’ve been the victim of racial, sexist, or homophobic bias of any kind, you have every right to lash out at your “attacker”.
While stopped there he sees a "stranger" walk into the development past him. That's Trayvon who is returning from the 7/11 to go to his father's girlfriend's townhouse.
He can get there by walking around the roads or by walking part way along the road to his left, then getting on a sidewalk that leads to a long sidewalk going N/S and past the rear of the townhouse he's going to.
George turns his SUV around and comes back following Trayvon, but stopping at his home ~ in this case just pulling up in front rather than into the drive.
CLUE: EVERYBODY who makes a left turn on the second street in that runs past the clubhouse will drive or walk past George's home.
So, Trayvon goes past George's house and gets onto the sidewalk that leads to the back entrances.
George somehow gets from his truck ~ parked in front of his house ~ to the same sidewalk where Trayvon is found dead. There are two routes. One is for George to take pretty much the same path as Trayvon and follow him around. The other is for George to go through his own home to the sidewalk in the rear, run a half a block South (which is why he's winded) then turn left to cross through a cut-through between the houses, cross the street, go left again to another cut through where he turns right.
That'd pop him out on that sidewalk where Trayvon (walking) would be coming his way from the left.
There are no other routes and Trayvon doesn't need to cut back ~ nor does George. They meet.
Another question is where George kept his gun. Does he wear his pistol going to Target on a rainy evening? Or does he keep it at home ~ explaining the pitstop and rapid exit from his truck. There are again only a couple of choices here. I vote for him keeping his gun at home, and picking it up to take out only in an emergency. Others may think it best to wear it all the time, even in a hard rain.
I"ll leave that up to the experts. Still, he had the gun with him when he met Trayvon on the sidewalk after, so to speak, "heading him off at the pass".
“trevon said he was gonna kill zimmerman after he punched him in the nose and pounded his skull into the cement. Before zimmerman was fatally injured, he was able to pull his weapon during the fight and fire a round that killed his attacker. Details at 11.”
I keep wondering if Zimmerman had been a white cop would the outcome have been any different? My guess is that in this situation, the cop would have shot Martin before allowing himself to have sustained any injuries. And the corollary to this question would be, what would the “reverends” be doing about it?
Noting that George parked close enough on the street to get to his own home to pick up his gun I'd think it's safe to suggest he thought he didn't need to conceal it anyway ~ which might require more facts, but this is a PUD where most of the exterior lawn seems to be association property (Has no private plantings ~ just grass that looks like it gets mowed regularly by a contractor or employee). George and other association officers or employees or affiliates may have been fully entitled to wander about without concealing their weapons.
So, again, what do you do when you go outside on your own estate to scare away the squirrels? Do you conceal or do you brandish your weapon to give them a fright?
We simply do not know if he had his gun out or had it in his pocket. He ain't sayin' either! I"d bet he had it visible though, even if not in his hand.
No.
That's the easiest question I've ever answered. Easier than the question about a bear's bowel habits.
Sigh.
Where was the gun in the meantime. Like it didn't jump out of the bushes or anything silly like the Leftwingtards believe did it?
Let’s consider a few more things, based on the known facts and locations:
Martin was first spotted about a 3-4 minute walk from the house where he was staying. Zimmerman’s call to police lasted more than four minutes. Martin was out of Zimmerman’s sight for almost half of the call, and was last seen “running.”
Add to this that by the time Zimmerman reported to police that he could no longer see the “running” Martin, he (Martin) only had to cross one yard - about the length of a football field - to get to his house.
If all Martin wanted to do was go home, he had more than enough time to get there without ever seeing George Zimmerman outside of his car.
Now, none of that proves that Zimmerman did not assault Martin, but these known facts are tough to square with the notion of a frightened and fleeing Martin who is just trying to get home.
And the idea that, as in your scenario, Zimmerman got out of his car after Martin (a high school athlete) started running, took a longer route than the younger man, yet managed to head him off, circle back, and confront him only 200-250 feet from where the car was parked is more than a little bit of a stretch.
I think if Mr Zimmerman had been a cop, he’d have questioned T, asked for ID and probably watched him walk home. Handcuffed him, maybe.
I’m just wondering if Mr Zimmerman had identified himself to T as being captain of the neighborhood watch. If he had, then would have T had the same reaction? would he have tried to kill him?
I don't know. Do you? Do you know, I mean. Not bet.
Absent an answer to this in favor of Martin, no conclusion can be made against Zimmerman. Without such a conclusion, there is no probable cause to charge Zimmerman with any crime.
One lost guy. Another who actually parked near his own home before continuing his search on foot taking shortcuts from his home to the sidewalk. You can see the trails on Google.
If all Zimmerman had done was follow Martin, he couldn't have lost him ~ he knew his way like the back of his hand. If, instead he cut through home to get his gun to continue the search armed, he'd got there first.
HE Didn't have to cut back on his path to go home. Just turn left at the sidewalk to the North and he'd been there.
Until you have any evidence, other than your own conjecture, that Zimmerman drew or brandished the weapon prior to being on the ground getting beaten, your continued efforts to imply Zimmerman's guilt border on slander and are a disgrace. Zimmerman will not be found guilty in the courts by conjecture, but by evidence if there is any. You seem utterly distressed that there is not enough evidence to convict so far.
If Zimmerman engaged in any actual wrongdoing, we'll find out eventually. Until then, you seem as driven as the liberal lynch mobs to prove him guilty in the court of public opinion. So just what is your own personal agenda that is making you align yourself with the likes of Sharpton and the New Black Panthers?
If Zimmerman hadn't said anything about that pretty obvious fact any investigator would get suspicious.
Picking his gun up at home and running out the backway to the courtyard between two long rows of townhouses could be another.
The problem here with the prosecutor's office may be that Zimmerman was asked questions about things that could incriminate him BEFORE he was read his rights.
Could be something really simple like that screwed up the investigation, and then where would they go for their facts?
Headline.... really, no s***t. Again, do these people have literate editors?
When folks are discussing a probable or actual crime the law has always provided sufficient leeway regarding slander or libel so that the criminals can't hide behind those laws.
This is such a case.
It's like discussing the Kennedy assassination. Plenty of slander and libel has been sloshed around that case and no one got sent to jail for it.
I doubt that will happen here.
Now, get with the picture and deal with the facts. Your ambition to protect Zimmerman is certainly commendable, but that doesn't make me an evil person to discuss other possibilities.
Please post a police or government source for this information.
Picking his gun up at home and running out the backway to the courtyard between two long rows of townhouses could be another.
He had a concealed handgun permit. What evidence do you have that he "picked up his gun at home"?
The problem here with the prosecutor's office may be that Zimmerman was asked questions about things that could incriminate him BEFORE he was read his rights.
Nonsense. A person's statements to police before Miranda warning most certainly CAN be used against them, in a number of different situations. You've been watching too much TV, or you've been spending too much time at liberal sites and then bringing that nonsense here.
Oh, that's rich. YOU are the one making up conjectures, yet you demand I deal with the facts?
Your ambition to protect Zimmerman is certainly commendable, but that doesn't make me an evil person to discuss other possibilities.
I'm sorry, but what you are doing IS evil. Basically, postulating scenarios of Zimmerman's guilt that rely largely on your own conjecture. In this thread, you have tried to imply Zimmerman might have been in violation of CCW laws. In the past, you tried to imply that Zimmerman might have been trespassing.
I would think that since you find yourself on the same side as Sharpton in this matter, you might re-examine your premises. You instead have doubled down on your slime.
And if evidence exists that Zimmerman DID brandish his weapon or give Trayvon reason to assault him in self-defense, then it will come out in court and justice will be served. That is not about 'protecting' Zimmerman. It is about protecting conservative concepts such as innocent until proven guilty and the right of self-defense - concepts you have continually crapped upon here.
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