'Relocating' children - Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds

The American Thinker ^ | March 29, 2012 | Jason McNew

[Gennie]

'Relocating' children

March 29, 2012

It's 11AM. Do you know where your children are? Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds without parental consent or knowledge.

Jason McNew

Recently, there has been a disturbing nation-wide trend of parental rights being trampled upon by public school officials, from bag-lunch inspections to electronic bracelets being used to spy on overweight kids. This week brings another example of complete disregard for parental rights, this time from Grove High School in Delaware County, Oklahoma.

Grove High School transported 699 kids away from school property without first notifying parents of their intent to do so, nor obtaining the parents consent. Parents were only told, by way of this nondescript robo-call, that there would be a "drill":

"This call is to inform you that Grove Public Schools will be conducting an emergency exercise on Tuesday, March 27, 2012. The drill's purpose is to extend the school's preparedness in the event of a real emergency. Please be aware, this is only a drill. Thanks and have a good evening."

[W. W. SMITH]

Just this morning my daughter was informed, after indicating she was going to home school her son, that she had to have a four year degree first. She was told it was state law, high school diploma to teach K-6th, Baccalaureate to teach 7th - 12th.

Why do some children never believe their parents?

[Gennie]

And I will say it again, why is it that they did not obtain permission for a planned event. They managed to plan for the drill but couldn't plan for permission slips? You think it's okay for a school district to move children from one location to another without consulting parents? What if those buses got into an accident during this drill and the parents were unaware that their children were even going to be on the buses to begin with???? Imagine getting a call that your kid has been in a bus accident while you assumed they were going to be on school property performing a drill. BTW, your argument is moot because the superintendent, per the article, said:

"We are not taking them out of town, they are going to be on school buses and school property, so no, no I don't think we have to have parent consent to practice a drill."

They don't feel they even need it to begin with.

[infowarrior]

The superintendent's argument was that because the children were to remain on school buses the entire time during the drill, which is considred "school property", they did not need parental consent even though they physically moved the children from one location to another, unbeknownst to the parents.

Pure sophistry there, and prima facie evidence that this superintendant is manifestly unqualified for the position he/she holds...

the infowarrior

[Future Snake Eater]

Absolutely. There's no excuse in today's Information Age for that kind of thinking. We bought our 3-yr old daughter an annual subscription to Starfall. Within a month or two of just playing around (this is after some basic instruction from her mother and me) as well as some LeapFrog DVDs teaching phonics, she's a solid reader, she can spell, and she can do basic math. She's not even four yet!

It's also taught her how to use a computer mouse and laptop touchpad. She spends hours on that site, learning all kinds of different subjects. When I was homsechooled back in the mid-80s, this all would've been either impossible or prohibitively expensive.

I can't wait to see what else is out there for our kids.

[Gennie]

Question is whether or not the people living there will make a stink about it...

[Sopater]

Recently, there has been a disturbing nation-wide trend of parental rights being trampled upon by public school officials...

If by "recently" you mean in the last 40 years or so...

[Sopater]

A good public school, and there are many, can teach ...

And a good private school, that is engaged in genuine market competition, can utterly teach circles around the best public schools at a fraction of the cost.

[MrB]

In a system where even the public schools had to compete for kids in order to stay “in business”,

even the public schools would improve.

[Gennie]

LOL have to admit, that made me snicker...

[moovova]

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs

[Sopater]

In a system where even the public schools had to compete for kids in order to stay “in business”, even the public schools would improve.

True, but being a gov't bureaucracy, the costs would still likely be too high, and they would be run inefficiently.

[Nifster]

Algebra is not the only high school math that is taught. Geometry, pre calculus and a raft more.

I am not suggesting that one shouldn’t home school based solely on one set of curricula. To think that you can self teach mathematics is a kin to having yourself for a lawyer

[BlatherNaut]

I simply believe that kids will be exposed to good and bad morals no matter what.

I agree with you, but it's a question of degree. Fourth graders being instructed to put condoms on bananas, a father being arrested and handcuffed for objecting to his kindergartner receiving homosexual indoctrination, revisionist history, opposition research projects for Obama...

Where do you draw the line before the immorality and social engineering becomes unacceptable?

It is comparatively easy for involved parents to correct moral lessons that the schools get wrong - if parents try

Not saying it can't be accomplished, but it's certainly difficult for parents to undo the damage from daily indoctrination, peer pressure and societal brainwashing with a few conversations over dinner.

but impossible for most of us to teach languages (and many other subjects) well.

There's no magical teaching process taking place in schools. Information is presented, and the student is responsible for learning it.

[Nifster]

And for the record.... my child when in high school didn’[t hang out with the dope smokers, the drinkers, the overtly sexual.... Teaching your children how to judge character and pick quality friends is a parents job.

[little jeremiah]

Moral relativism or more accurately, immorality, atheism, secularism, homosexualism, feminism and so on are larded and woven throughout all subjects in public schools. I home schooled my kids for some years, and tutored many other children, and read school books (not for some years) and often just made up my own lessons, the kids read library books (carefully selected, this was in the 80s). The most recent grade school text books I’ve seen were about 8 years ago. Even I was shocked at the blatant propaganda.

[Alice in Wonderland]

I agree with you, but ...

My grandson is a full-time Florida high school student. He attends classes from home via Connections Academy. They currently have cost-free programs in 24 states. His is FLVS (Florida Virtual School). I can't say enough about the program! He does go to the local brick and mortar school for the state mandated FCAT tests but otheriwse he attends classes from the kitchen and the car. There are 'live lessons' which are recorded for later viewing by kids who can't attend them and his teachers are only an email or phone call away if he has a question. He can take classes which interest him but are not offered in the local school. Best of all, he has a 93% average.

[Shimmer1]

Not beyond most parents, just beyond some parents. We get together and pool our home educator resources.

[Osage Orange]

I'm in the health care field. Took plenty of science classes to get my degree.

Never took a Chem class in H.S., never took a Physics class either...

And the argument could be made that anything over basic Algebra is a waste of time anyway.....

BTW, H.S.'ed two kids....K-12. They are both tax slaving productive American's now.

[Shimmer1]

You ought to try www.theswap.com for algebra help or other gnarly home school questions. It’s a forum of friendly homeschool moms and I think you’d love it too.

[netmilsmom]

>>Algebra is not the only high school math that is taught. Geometry, pre calculus and a raft more.<<
I’m so sorry, I hate to point this out, but either your reading comprehension skills are lacking, or you have an agenda. Let’s look at the post you responded to, Post 42.

“But I’m not teaching math to my kids. These people are...
http://saxonpublishers.hmhco.com/en/sxnm_home.htm
http://www.khanacademy.org/

And if they don’t get it, another homeschooling parent or student helps them out.”

Did you see that I said I’m not teaching them, their teachers are on those sites and on CD-ROM, help from other students (hello, high school tutoring is the same) and FReepers? So while my daughter is studying Calculus next month, I can’t do Algebra. Those who are smart find the information without the government doling it out.

Did you bother to look at those sites?

>>I am not suggesting that one shouldn’t home school based solely on one set of curricula. To think that you can self teach mathematics is a kin to having yourself for a lawyer<<

But I’m not. I told you that.

>>And for the record.... my child when in high school didn’[t hang out with the dope smokers, the drinkers, the overtly sexual.... <<

Well good for you and good for them. At the High School that my daughter would be attending, a note just went out to all the parents that the Prom is in doubt because they had problems controlling the lesbian dirty dancing at the Spring Dance. Honey, times have changed.