'Relocating' children - Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds

The American Thinker ^ | March 29, 2012 | Jason McNew

[Gennie]

'Relocating' children

March 29, 2012

It's 11AM. Do you know where your children are? Hundreds of Oklahoma kids carted away from school grounds without parental consent or knowledge.

Jason McNew

Recently, there has been a disturbing nation-wide trend of parental rights being trampled upon by public school officials, from bag-lunch inspections to electronic bracelets being used to spy on overweight kids. This week brings another example of complete disregard for parental rights, this time from Grove High School in Delaware County, Oklahoma.

Grove High School transported 699 kids away from school property without first notifying parents of their intent to do so, nor obtaining the parents consent. Parents were only told, by way of this nondescript robo-call, that there would be a "drill":

"This call is to inform you that Grove Public Schools will be conducting an emergency exercise on Tuesday, March 27, 2012. The drill's purpose is to extend the school's preparedness in the event of a real emergency. Please be aware, this is only a drill. Thanks and have a good evening."

[Nifster]

I NEVER said that science could NOT be taught at home. Nor did I refer to FANCY labs. What I do know for a fact is that a well equipped chem lab is NOT something that parents are capable of providing on their own ( some of the chemicals can only be purchased if you are an educational facility or research lab)

I was NEVER suggesting that anyone NOT home school. There are (in spite of the bias in favor of home schooling on this thread) school districts and teachers that do a very good job with the children they educate. Not every school is a cess pool. Not every faculty is full of left wing commies.

If you live in a place where your schools are the dregs I would encourage a private religious school or home schooling. I made that point originally but it was ignored by all who want to lecture me on what they think I don’t know.

Out of curiosity how many of you went to a public school?

[Pollster1]

Where do we find these, “good public schools?”

I find them in many small towns, where the teachers are decent people who love kids and want to share their knowledge and traditional values with the next generation. So long as conservatives don't intentionally abandon the schools and leave the children of uninvolved parents vulnerable to the manipulative liberals who go into teaching to lead the younger generation astray, vast swaths of "flyover country" will have good schools.

I find them in those suburbs where the parents value education and stay involved to keep the schools from going astray and teaching condoms and queer pride ahead of reading, writing, and arithmetic. The high schools with very strong and highly ranked AP programs are emphasizing knowledge.

Finally, I find them where the parents talk with their public school kids every night. It's hard to go too far astray if the kids come in the next day and challenge what the bleeding heart liberal teacher said the previous day. My kids have all gone to public schools or are going to those schools, and they are only rarely exposed to liberal nuttiness. When it does happen, we take it as a learning opportunity, and my kids seem not to have ever accepted the liberal spin on values. I'm very proud of them for their morals - and their academics are strong too.

[Coldwater Creek]

HANG IN THERE GIRL!

[JenB]

I’ve met exactly one homeschooling family that wasn’t motivated enough to see their kids succeed. Of course they weren’t actually homeschooling. They were abusing their children - physically, mentally, and sexually - and they were hiding by claiming to homeschool. This in the state with the most restrictive homeschool laws in the country, with social workers in and out of their lives multiple times.

Every other home schooled family I knew growing up or have met since has been a success. Homeschooled parents are home with their kids most of the time. If there’s anyone who realizes the stakes involved in not raising a kid who can grow up and get a life of his own, it’s going to be homeschoolers.

I’m too darn lazy not to homeschool. I haven’t the patience or diplomacy to undo what gets taught in school and I sure as heck won’t have a daughter who actually believes crap like global warming, social justice, or critical race theory

[TalonDJ]

good public school can teach science better than most of us even know so many different fields of science, writing better than we can teach it, and math beyond what most adults remember or perhaps ever learned.

Completely false and it has been demonstrated with statistics. Homeschooled kids do better across the board. The reason is simple highschool subjects are not that hard. A motivated parent has no problem keeping 1 or 2 chapters ahead of their kid on any subject. The average public school teacher has a shocking lack of knowledge of science or math. The evidence for this is clear in the test scores kids are getting these days. Huge numbers who graduate are functionally illiterate. A monkey with a mc’guffy reader could do a better job. With resources like Rosetta Stone even foreign languages can be taught easily at home. 60’s liberals destroyed public schools and now the internet as rendered them obsolete.

[TalonDJ]

I needed to have chemistry and physics to get into my engineering major

It is not very hard to do that level of chemistry and physics at him. I know because in the early 90's my family went around to curriculum fairs and sold books and laboratory kits to do just that. That was almost 20 years ago and the resources available now are light-years better. My siblings and I were homeschooled and all went to top rank colleges in engineering and science. If you have not tried to find such resources then you have NO CLUE what is available. Trust me, it is a lot. And now that I have a kid of my own I know darn well I can teach any subject up better than a public school can. Heck most subjects in the first couple years of an engineering degree I could teach.

[TalonDJ]

What I do know for a fact is that a well equipped chem lab is NOT something that parents are capable of providing on their own ( some of the chemicals can only be purchased if you are an educational facility or research lab)

This is completely false. There is no chemical needed to teach high school laboratory chemistry that cannot be ordered easily. The same goes for every critical piece of laboratory equipment. For a couple hundred bucks you can have everything you need. I know because I used to sell such kits at conventions and I got into engineering college with the results. If that outlay is too much for a family there are homeschool co-ops all over this country where parents get together and the one with the most science background teaches some key subject. They are not hard to locate.

[netmilsmom]

>>No need to get upset. <

Why would you think I’m upset? I’m confident in my posts and the education of my children.

If anything, I’m amused!
First of all, that you honestly think that parents need to have a hard working knowledge of all subjects to educate their children, when the internet is open to everyone.

Second, that you think the phase “times have changed” is what I’m talking about. There were druggies, drunks, lesbians and homosexuals hanging around when I was in school back in the 60’s. So? The point is whether or not, to get a free government education, I want to drop my 12-year-old into the middle of it with no parental support. I don’t. I don’t have to.

As for “where one lives and what the parents are like”, may I suggest that you look into the STD epidemic in Georgia. Best neighborhoods, best parents, bad result.

[TalonDJ]

Oh, and if the chemistry example is not enough for you... you can also do biology lab at home too. We dissected fetal pigs on the kitchen table. My little sister, who became a DVM, also did sharks and cats and all sorts of stuff. We had some really nice lab quality microscopes that any public school would have been jealous of. Not enough for ya? A lot of freshmen engineers I knew in school had never soldered. Whereas my siblings had our Amateur radio licenses. Mom taught us that stuff by getting her license along with is. I still use the RF stuff I learned back then on the job because mechanical engineering degrees are a bit light on the EE stuff.

[netmilsmom]

>>I also know most parents are not as motivated as your mom....<<

That’s a pretty broad brush you’re using there....

[Coldwater Creek]

My granddaughter graduated college at the top of her class after only three years with multiple majors. The funny thing is that she took a photography class as an elective, fell in love with picture taking, and is now one of the city's premiere wedding photographers. She has an accountant that does her math. Her husband also was at the top of his class and has graduate degrees, he works for her. hehhehe

[netmilsmom]

Good for her!!!!

[raybbr]

The irony of this discussion is that I have to fill out a detailed list of “allowed to pick up my kid” trusted individuals with the school and daycare. I get 3, maybe 4, spots for that category because I must enter the person’s name, address and phone number. I’ve had to call the school before to say that someone else like my brother can pick them up because a grandparent isn’t available. And they must call me and get my permission if someone other than that list is there to pick them up AND have to call me if the kid has to go to an ER.

It's not irony. It's about learning to submit to the will of the system. They know full well what they are doing. They are getting you used to idea that they are in control during school hours.

When ever I used to take my son out of school early they would ask what's the reason? I would say because I want to. They didn't like it but they had no choice. I could tell they wanted a real reason - something they could put in the books so as not to lose money for the day.

[tbw2]

I’ve noticed the pattern of calling parents AFTER 10 AM to pick up kids, when attendance is taken and thus education funds secured.

[Nifster]

That’s really nice. The chem lab in my high school ( and I am talking in the 60s) had things in it that allowed us to do high quality labs. I was able to take the advanced classes that allowed me to skip first year chem in college.

The thing I find most interesting is that all of the folks who are so adamant about home schooling the children, happily send them off to universities that are way more out there.

[Nifster]

I hope the accountant is an honest person....

But good for your daughter. I have a photography minor ( feel in love with it when you still had to process your film). I still do my photography ( it feeds me in a different way) but my work is in the sciences. I feel doubly blessed.

I hope she is forever wildly successful

[cycjec]

lockdowns and transports. I’m thinking very suspicious
thoughts. I realized a while back that isolating children
from parents has been a policy of schools well before
the 1970s. “Consolidation” being the keyword back then;
I don’t recall it, but people I know do.

[cycjec]

I'm just too darn lazy not to homeschool I really liked that.

[tutstar]

They could take all the kids to the FEMA camps before the parents had a clue. Some of those camps do have playground equipment .

[Gennie]

I am wondering if someone can make a legal issue out of this, considering the fact that schools require permission slips for so many other things...