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Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin
MSNBC ^ | March 25, 2012

Posted on 03/25/2012 12:30:48 PM PDT by Steelfish

Witness: Zimmerman 'Never ... Tried To Help' Trayvon Martin

By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services

A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."

Zimmerman's lawyer, when shown part of the interview being aired Sunday night on Dateline, emphasized that his client would be claiming self-defense.

"I think there were efforts made to render aid to Trayvon," Craig Sonner told NBC's TODAY show.

Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."

Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police. "Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.

Sonner also reiterated what he had said in recent days, that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head.

A friend of Zimmerman's who appeared on TODAY with Sonner added that Zimmerman, 28, was distraught over the teen's death.

"Right after the shooting he couldn't stop crying," said Joe Oliver, who is African American and a former TV reporetr and anchor in Orlando.

Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting that has ignited racial tensions and raised questions about the Sanford police's handling of the case. Martin was black, and Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

In a separate interview Sunday, Oliver said that "I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color.''

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
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To: Miss Behave
OK... you were there. You saw Martin stalk Zimmerman and jump out at him. Zimmerman was merely taking a stroll himself, hoping to find the Skittle dealer to make his own score, then, disappointed, walked back to his car where he got jumped.

"...pummelling them mercilessly."????

How much time did Zimmerman spend in the hospital? Must have remarkable healing powers after such a beatdown.

What planet do you live on?

Planet reality. You outta visit sometime.

521 posted on 03/25/2012 10:43:38 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: Miss Behave

“”If you’re frightened by/afraid of someone, you don’t then stalk and jump them, pummelling them mercilessly.”

I hope there are photos of his pummelling injuries. For his defence as I said before. There must be photos of his head injuries after being attacked in such a viscious manner.


522 posted on 03/25/2012 10:43:55 PM PDT by anglian
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To: Miss Behave; org.whodat
What LAW gave Zimmerman the right to watch someone from a distance for a couple of minutes without even speaking? No words? No threats? No taunts? And then leaves WITHOUT even being TOLD by the "offended" to DO so?

Your response..Miss Behave..."OMG you are insane. Wow. LOL."

Am I reading what Org said right?

Ok so there are laws about watching people from a distance without speaking up?...lol is right.

I'm in trouble then for watching the Water Crew , from my second floor deck, fix the broken water pipe, after dark even!..( Nice looking chaps too)....not a word out of me either. ..and I left and came inside without any of them telling me I could do so....no threats, no taunts, no words. Hummm...

Now what law applys here?

523 posted on 03/25/2012 10:44:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: Darren McCarty

All of this is known, as I stated previously. Due to the known versus the unknown, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

All else is speculation.

And I’m becoming fond of my personal speculation that the deceased was goaded into attacking Mr. Zimmerman by his girlfriend. It’s something that we’ve seen happen before, and would be a straightforward reason for the incident spiraling out of control.

This speculating game is interesting, to say the least!


524 posted on 03/25/2012 10:44:08 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Steelfish

Did the “witness’ try to help?


525 posted on 03/25/2012 10:45:44 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: dmzTahoe

Your story is the opposite of the Zimmerman story in that you were chasing but didn’t have a gun. Zimmerman was chasing and between the two had the only gun. The kid was always the hunted - IMHO.

Sounds as though Zimmerman got himself a Rambo complex. But as I’ve said before on this thread - we shall see. We don’t know all the facts yet.


526 posted on 03/25/2012 10:46:25 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Steelfish

Did the “witness’ try to help?


527 posted on 03/25/2012 10:47:00 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Steelfish
You claim this statement is supported by Garner: "For example, the cops can't [ever] use deadly force to bring down an unarmed fleeing felon."

And this ... "[The police can] Not [use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon] unless the cops are themselves in danger of life or in danger of serious physical injury."

And I'm the one with reading comprehension issues?

528 posted on 03/25/2012 10:49:27 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Aria
The kid was always the hunted - IMHO.

you are right... and for better or worse, when anyone or thing feels threatened or hunted, survival response kicks in. That is why Zimmerman should have stopped, waited for backup... kept an eye out from distance.

529 posted on 03/25/2012 10:51:02 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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Nite all... been fun.


530 posted on 03/25/2012 10:54:35 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: anglian; dmzTahoe
The information is out there. Martin's own father and another witness BOTH said that the screams were not Martin's.

Zimmerman had a broken nose, two head wounds, mud and grass stains on his back, etc. Go look at the evidence/witness statements available (in the Sanford City pdf I believe,) on the incident.

531 posted on 03/25/2012 10:54:42 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: caww

Yep, you read that right, caww. Unbelievable, isn’t it? Off the wall...really. I mean REALLY off the wall.


532 posted on 03/25/2012 11:00:20 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: AnalogReigns
felonies are determined by state and local law.

So then where does a Governor or President come into the arena as they currently are?

You know what?.. With all the strong arming from politicians and groups coming unjustly down on Zimmerman, I wouldn't be surprised if some people wouldn't want to just get Zimmerman out of the country for his own safety.

Obama has unleashed and created something that could get so far out of hand that many more people could get hurt...and even at this juncture will.

I'm really beginning to feel like I have to go into hiding for what un-restrained Obama will be doing if he's elected again.. I'm afraid we haven't seen anything of what he's going to do.

Never in my life would I've imagined "fear" of a President in Power as I do this one....never!

WHEN THE WICKED RISE TO POWER, MEN GO INTO HIDING.... Prov:28:12

WHEN THE WICKED RULE,THE PEOPLE GROAN....Prov:29:2

533 posted on 03/25/2012 11:00:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: Miss Behave

That Is insanity....and people like that vote?

It’s disgusting and people should be majorly ashammed for treating Zimmerman as they are.....they’re biting their noses off because wait and see if anyone comes to their defense when somebodies beating their brains in.

I’ve seen this as people won’t get involved out of fear of exactly what we’re seeing happen here.

Same thing happening in the field of health for lawsuits....all the good Doctors and nurses are leaving and we get stuck with those who care far less if your healthy or not, they will protect their reputations first.

Same will be for our police force...we’ll end up with whimps who’ll never raise their hand to protect us, but write up the reports after the fact.


534 posted on 03/25/2012 11:09:53 PM PDT by caww
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To: Cboldt
"Reasonable" in the context of "reasonably apprehend a risk of serious personal injury" does become a question for the jury.

Almost.

The question for the jury is "did Zimmerman reasonably...", or "could Zimmerman reasonably...".

And, indeed, they must find beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not or could not have, within the scope of the event, apprehend such a risk.

535 posted on 03/25/2012 11:12:26 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: dmzTahoe
Zimmerman would have been beaten senseless in 4-5 punches. Zimmerman would not have been able to scream as loud or long as a witness stated.

Why make things up? You are asserting things that are in the realm of medical experts.

Are you a medical expert?

536 posted on 03/25/2012 11:12:39 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Steelfish

Pray for George Zimmerman. Because while I started out thinking he was an evil doer, I now think that he, like Trayvon Martin, was a foolish doer.

Perhaps he can go to her mother’s homeland Peru, and start a new life there.


537 posted on 03/25/2012 11:12:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dmzTahoe
Doesn’t mean he did or didn’t shoot in self defense

Well said. Agreed.

538 posted on 03/25/2012 11:12:59 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Darren McCarty
I believe our positions on this are so close to each other that we are no longer actually in disagreement.

lol

~handshake

539 posted on 03/25/2012 11:13:38 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: caww
"Here’s a profile of Martin you won’t get from the media....and this mostly from his own entries on the net....photos show..."

Caww this post of yours is pretty shocking...and very detailed. You will NEVER hear HALF of this mentioned in the news.

This post is something everyone should take a look at. .before it goes poof.

Thanks for posting it and BUMP.

540 posted on 03/25/2012 11:14:42 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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