Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin(FL)

Charleston Conservative Examiner ^ | 21 March, 2012 | Kyle Rogers

[marktwain]

I'm a bad person. Like Samuel Clemens hisself, probably "racist", too

I doubt it. I think you have just bought into the MSM narrative. It is pervasive.

[Hot Tabasco]

I would be fighting Zimmerman too if he was trying to kill me

I'd shoot too if a 6'2 17 year old had me on my back and I had the grass stains to prove it.........

[Hot Tabasco]

Since the police chief has exhonerated Mr. Zimmerman based on their investigation, I find it a little strange that no one in the MSM has attempted to obtain the complete investigative report and post it for all the world to see.........

[Hot Tabasco]

BTW: Did this Trayvon fellow have a prior record?

Nobody in the MSM has bothered to find that out......another oddity.

[A CA Guy]

Zimmerman is Latino, not white I hear.

[dfwgator]

Nobody in the MSM has bothered to find that out......another oddity.

Facts are stupid things.

[little jeremiah]

The article states that the community was 49% white. And had a lot of crime recently. Black neighbors were concerned and think Zimmerman was a good guy.

[dfwgator]

Black neighbors were concerned and think Zimmerman was a good guy.

Those neighbors are just a bunch of "Oreos" don'tcha know? They ain't down wit the struggle.

[Irenic]

I think we don’t have all the facts and the ones we do have are somewhat jumbled and some of it may be clouded by adrenalin/emotion and other factors.

The reports say that Trayvon went to the 7-11 during the NBA All-star halftime. That game started at 7:30pm est.

The first call from Zimmerman to police was at 7:11 pm, Trayton’s girlfriend called Trayton at 7:12 pm.

It was raining that evening and had rained on and off that day from about 3pm. The 7-11 was .7 miles away.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1

The thing I do wonder about is Zimmermans account of Trayvon having his hand in his waistband/pants and something in his other hand— he had Skittles, an Arizona Iced Tea and a phone.

Trayvon doesn’t have three hands, so how did this work? Was the iced tea and skittles in the front through-pouch of the hoodie?

Perhaps Trayvon had his hand in his waistband to sorta stabilize the tea and Skittles carried in the front pouch of his sweatshirt and his phone was in the other hand?

Or maybe he reached in his pants to grab his phone out of a pocket that is on the inside front of the sweats/shorts?

I don’t know but something about this part of the story puzzles me a bit.

But for all the phone calls Zimmerman made to police 42?46? Whatever it is...he never seemed to get over dramatic or exaggerate.

I do think an unfamiliar walking around in the RAIN would make me concerned, too. I think a bunch of bad circumstances and bad decisions all around is why this happened.

So very sad for everyone involved.

[A CA Guy]

This was Hispanic and Black.

[Fred Nerks]

Never let a crisis go to waste...(and if you don't have a crisis, make one?)

[marktwain]

I do think an unfamiliar walking around in the RAIN would make me concerned, too. I think a bunch of bad circumstances and bad decisions all around is why this happened

Worth repeating. When you have hundreds of millions of citizens interacting every day, you are bound to have a few actions that are not absolutely clear cut and a tragedy all the way around.

[dfwgator]

Worth repeating. When you have hundreds of millions of citizens interacting every day, you are bound to have a few actions that are not absolutely clear cut and a tragedy all the way around.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with racism.

[PhatHead]

There is a very telling part in the call when the dispatcher asks for his address, and Zimmerman states he doesn’t want to give that info because, “I don’t know where this kid is”. If at that point in the tape,after Martin ran and the dispatcher told Zimmerman to go back to the truck to meet the police, he obviously could not have been chasing Martin.

I have to be honest - I don't have a clue who started the confrontation, but, like you, I listened to Zimmerman's whole 911 call, and I was also struck by this part. Not only does he not know where "this kid" is, but he seems a little nervous - not like the aggressive pursuer you might expect (from the simple fact that he got out of his car after noting that the person looked like trouble.) He doesn't want to say his address in case the kid is close enough to hear him - he definitely sounds nervous.

A lot has been made of the 911 operator suggesting that Zimmerman should not pursue, but he does say, "okay" in response. We can't see what he is doing. I suspect he was still following, but at what he thought was a distance. The kid was hurrying away, but with a watchful eye over his shoulder. At some point, I am guessing, they may have found themselves suddenly in closer proximity than either expected. Remember, Zimmerman had lost sight of Martin. Martin told his girlfriend he was hurrying to get out of Zimmerman's sight.

But somehow, they ended up face to face, and at that point the whole "why are you here?" "why are you following me?" conversation occurred. Both of them scared. Neither wanting to back away (or turn his back.)

Then what?

I don't think we will ever know. But I do think that it is not as cut and dried as so many seem to think (including me, when I first started reading about it.)

Was Zimmerman "aggressively pursuing" or just trying to stay close enough to keep an eye on Martin?

Was Martin trying to get away, or trying to assert himself? Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory, I can recall being a teenage boy, and not wanting to appear frightened. It happens. Was it Martin who suddenly stepped out of the shadows to ask "why are you following me?"

And not to spread the second-guessing too far beyond Zimmerman and Martin, but when two guys are fighting, and one is screaming for help, didn't anybody even come outside and yell "stop it! I'm calling the cops!" Because that may very well have stopped the fight.

This was a real, senseless tragedy. And I'm really only sure of two things: Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman is going to do some time.

You can decide for yourself if either one of them deserves it. It's hard for me to think of any reason Martin deserves to be dead, but I'm getting a lot closer to concluding that neither one of them deserves his fate.

[Revolting cat!]

I don't watch MSM, don't read it except here, 'coz where does our information come from (with small exceptions)? What is the MSM narrative? That a man carrying a gun shot dead an unarmed teenager or another race? And that, BIG, BIG SURPRISE! he claimed it was in self-defense? Like you and many here, I expected that George would say something like the following:

No, I'm not Jewish. My grandfather was a German SS colonel and right after the WWII he fell in love with Cuban cigars and emigrated to Cuba. Myself, I hate Negroes, who are causing so much trouble in the neighbourhood, and I am glad to have eliminated one of the troublemakers.

That's what we expected (with minor variations) and were SHOCKED, SHOCKED, when George said "self-defense".

[Irenic]

Trayvon Martin had no arrest record or disciplinary action for violence as a student in North Miami’s Krop High School.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-shooting-trayvon-martin-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136&page=2

[Dead Corpse]

Considering the number of black and brown folks living in George’s neighborhood, that statement is utterly vacuous...

[patriot08]

Zimmerman is Latino, not white I hear.

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Libs are determined to make him white to suit their agenda.
‘Latino shoots unarmed black teen’ wouldn’t suit the rats political agenda.

[Red in Blue PA]

You think that Zimmerman woke up that morning looking to kill someone?

Get your head out of your backside.

[Red in Blue PA]

You think that Zimmerman woke up that morning looking to kill someone?

Get your head out of your backside.