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To: kevkrom

>> the point is that anyone who will turn over this information about themselves, for any reason short of a legal court order, is not someone who would make a trustworthy employee.

Huh? This is what I mean by “your dogma is loopy”. (And it IS dogmatic and egotistical to say “I” [the great kevkrom] deem you unemployable for any reason. That’s not ad hominem; it’s a conclusion based on observed evidence.)

The key concept isn’t the damn password, it’s the information on the page. I give you the password to my account because you demand it as a condition of employment for a position I feel I must try to obtain. As soon as I’m out of your presence I change the password. So what? I don’t care how loudly you and your sycophants here twitter that this proves I can’t be trusted. That’s bunk.

Now, let’s set the scene. I am flat broke. Haven’t eaten for days. My beloved Mrs. Tick is ill, resting as best she can in our barely running car outside the restaurant because we have no home. I’m not applying for Vice President In Charge Of Dogma, I’m applying for dishwasher. The interviewer requires of me my facebook password. I wince inside, not really wanting to give it up... but I REALLY NEED THIS JOB. I’ll change the password at the library after I leave.

And you insist it’s not high-handed in such a scenario to sniff disdainfully and proclaim that I am unfit to wash dishes or hold ANY job because I answered the interviewer’s demands?

Well, I think your position is not only high-handed but also absurd — and I’m calling you out on it.


156 posted on 03/20/2012 10:52:27 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick
The key concept isn’t the damn password, it’s the information on the page. I give you the password to my account because you demand it as a condition of employment for a position I feel I must try to obtain. As soon as I’m out of your presence I change the password. So what? I don’t care how loudly you and your sycophants here twitter that this proves I can’t be trusted. That’s bunk.

That's not bunk, that's grounds for losing a security clearance. YOU NEVER GIVE UP YOUR PASSWORD TO ANYONE, for any reason, no matter how temporary.

And as I stated upthread in my first post, if providing this password was a condition for employment, I sure don't want to work there, because the company clearly has no clue of how confidential information is to be treated.

This isn't '“I” [the great kevkrom]' (I note how you keep resorting to snide comments to try and defend your weak position, though), this is simple common sense. People who don't respect their own property aren't going to respect mine, and vice-versa. The same standard applies to both prospective employee and prospective employer. So while I've been talking about this from the perspective of the employer, it's as true for the employee -- making this type of demand as an employer means that you're unfit as an employer and submitting to the demand as an employee means that you're unfit as an employee.

You will never build a proper working relationship with someone if your first major interaction involves someone being forced into a breach of trust.

160 posted on 03/20/2012 11:07:12 AM PDT by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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