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To: Nervous Tick
The key concept isn’t the damn password, it’s the information on the page. I give you the password to my account because you demand it as a condition of employment for a position I feel I must try to obtain. As soon as I’m out of your presence I change the password. So what? I don’t care how loudly you and your sycophants here twitter that this proves I can’t be trusted. That’s bunk.

That's not bunk, that's grounds for losing a security clearance. YOU NEVER GIVE UP YOUR PASSWORD TO ANYONE, for any reason, no matter how temporary.

And as I stated upthread in my first post, if providing this password was a condition for employment, I sure don't want to work there, because the company clearly has no clue of how confidential information is to be treated.

This isn't '“I” [the great kevkrom]' (I note how you keep resorting to snide comments to try and defend your weak position, though), this is simple common sense. People who don't respect their own property aren't going to respect mine, and vice-versa. The same standard applies to both prospective employee and prospective employer. So while I've been talking about this from the perspective of the employer, it's as true for the employee -- making this type of demand as an employer means that you're unfit as an employer and submitting to the demand as an employee means that you're unfit as an employee.

You will never build a proper working relationship with someone if your first major interaction involves someone being forced into a breach of trust.

160 posted on 03/20/2012 11:07:12 AM PDT by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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To: kevkrom

>> That’s not bunk, that’s grounds for losing a security clearance.

It is conceivable in this life that there *might* come a time when a security clearance is about the least of your or my concerns. Would you agree?

>> YOU NEVER GIVE UP YOUR PASSWORD TO ANYONE, for any reason, no matter how temporary.

That’s a great rule of thumb, but it’s dogma. Remember it though if someone ever puts a gun to your loved one’s head and demands your password; I’m sure quoting it will cause them to reconsider their position. Sorry, I’m being snide (to make a point).

>> This isn’t ‘“I” [the great kevkrom]’ (I note how you keep resorting to snide comments to try and defend your weak position, though), this is simple common sense.

I’ll cop to snide; you deserve it. And I note with confidence that my position isn’t weak merely because you insist it is. But thanks for acknowledging that common sense plays a role. Common sense is what I’m leaning on to insist that there might exist a situation in which giving up a password or personal information in exchange for employment might be the best (or only) acceptable course of action.

>> if providing this password was a condition for employment, I sure don’t want to work there, because the company clearly has no clue of how confidential information is to be treated.

That’s fine, and I agree, but it’s not relevant to our original point of contention. I’ll remind you of that point of contention: I say your claim that *anyone* who gives up their password *automatically* renders themselves untrustworthy and unemployable is dogmatic, high-handed, and absurd; you say otherwise. Please stick to the argument, ‘k?

>> You will never build a proper working relationship with someone if your first major interaction involves someone being forced into a breach of trust.

Again, that’s all well and good — I agree with that statement, even — but it’s irrelevant to our point of contention. If you want me to take you seriously you need to stick to the argument at hand and not try to change the subject.


162 posted on 03/20/2012 11:29:31 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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