Posted on 03/09/2012 5:38:10 PM PST by Zhang Fei
Iraqi activists sounded the bell over the killing of dozens of teenagers by religious police for having “emo” haircuts.
Activists told the Cairo-based al-Akhbar daily that at least 90 Iraqi teenagers with “emo” appearances have been stoned to death by the Moral Police in the country in the past month. The violent crackdown against “emo” Iraqi teenagers came after the Iraqi interior ministry declared them as “devil worshippers.”
“The ‘Emo phenomenon’ or devil worshiping is being probed by the Moral Police who have the approval to eliminate it as soon as possible since it’s detrimentally affecting the society and becoming a danger,” a statement by the Interior Ministry said.
“They wear strange, tight clothes that have pictures on them such as skulls and use stationery that are shaped as skulls. They also wear rings on their noses and tongues, and do other strange activities,” the statement added.
The statement said that Iraq’s Moral Police was granted approval by the Ministry of Education to enter Baghdad schools and pinpoint students with Western appearances.
The activists told the newspaper that a group of armed men dressed in civilian clothing led the teenagers to secluded areas a few days ago, stoned them to death, and then disposed their bodies in garbage dumpsters across the capital, Baghdad.
“First they throw concrete blocks at the boy’s arms, then at his legs, then the final blow is to his head, and if he is not dead by then, they start all over again,” one person who managed to escape told the daily. The exact death toll remains unclear, but Hana al-Bayaty of Brussels Tribunal, an NGO dealing with Iraqi issues, said the current figure ranges “between 90 and 100.”
Activists said that leaflets were distributed in Baghdad warning teenagers from donning the “emo” style, and in some regions, teenage homosexuals were killed by battering their heads also by concrete blocks.
I base it on the fact that the emo-hair kids at my school don’t seem to be doing any of those things. In fact, they are the ones that stay out of gangs and out of prison. Eventually they grow out of that emo phase and turn into normal kids. Just my personal observation.
I didn’t see which of my comments you were responding to until after I responded to your response...
Apparently there are emos who “dress up” and those who act up. Perhaps the ones in your school (that you know of, I doubt you know all their habits and procvlities and personal lives outside of school) are doing the dress up part but not the drugs/bisexuality/cutting stuff. Or maybe they are and you are not aware of it.
Who knows. But one thing I know is that Norm Lenhart is an exceptionally informed person and he he makes comments, he knows what he’s talking about.
The emo look can be hot on girls. No one cares for the emo boys, they are a bane on the world. But this is taking it way too far Iraq!
Some of the uh, favorable comments in this thread are amusing but in all seriousness this is pretty effed up.
What is with these people and rocks anyway? Not only do they love to throw rocks but they worship a giant black rock in apparent violation of their own strict prohibition of idolatry.
Hi LJ,
Thanks for the good words ;)
First, before I say any more, I want to point out that the Koranimals that killed these kids should be tracked down and shot. Period. Much as I may think little of the whole Emo thing, I do not wish what happened upon them.
Now as for the rest...
Although I have been know to be spectacularly wrong on occasion (See my Palin prediction) this is a subject I am well versed in for 3 reasons. One, I raised a daughter as a single parent (wife died of cancer when she was young) and as such I had access to info daughters do not usually share with fathers...since I had to play both parts. Two, my hobbies are musical and so I’m immersed in a world that often puts me amidst that culture. Three, my ongoing book project on critical thought and the lack thereof in modern society included a lot of research that again, landed me in that (online) culture on several occasions and I researched it deeply since it is the definition of decisions lacking any critical thought whatsoever.
...And those ‘smart’ kids will be the leaders of this and other countries in a few years... using the lack of critical thought they grew up with and that established their worldview, to really help wreck the joint.
Now, for those on the thread who brush off the whole Emo phenomena as just smart kids doing their thing, protecting themselves etc...YES, there is indeed truth there. They DO do that and many of them are HIGHLY intelligent. To a point. Follow along and notice the paradoxes and the inherent problems such cause...
The problem is not that. The problem is the rest that goes along with it. Remember all the smart kids in the 60s who got into the whole Hippie thing...which in turn shaped their future worldviews? Guys like Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dorn, Charlie Manson, Barak Obama....
Emo ‘teaches’ that Bi/Homosexuality is not only OK but the superior way as it doubles your chances for free and unrestricted sex and promoter ‘tolerance’. It ignores all the social and health problems like agonizing death from AIDS and killing a few dozen of your F-buddies in the dame agonizing fashion.
Emo ‘teaches’ that multi-culti is the way of the future, that there are no differences in cultures and that we can all co exist – muslim/christian, etc. Like magic. No problem.
Emo is primarily atheistic and blames problems in cultures on religion, ALL religion...which means if you end religion, you and associated problems.
Emo is the definition of counterculture. Anything us old folks (old being anything over 25ish or so) do, think etc, is bad and should be abolished. The difference between that and any similar thinking kid of the past 5 centuries is that they actively work to do it. See above on religion/homosexuality and....
Emo ‘teaches’ that liberalism is the way truth and light. Free sex, free abortion, communistic economics et all.
There are also things like Emos being a large part of the OWS movement. “Hipster” is merely an older emo. Same people, just older (though not always). So you have a hate of the capitalistic system.
Now this is already a full printed page and I have just scratched the surface.
These kids are the end result of broken families, liberal ideals, the MSM pushing those ideals and ‘old’ people like us turning a blind eye and through our inattention to them, ensuring their broken view on life, the world, morality et all, will propagate.
Those of you who have kids or contact with kids into the Emo thing, Talk to them. Ask them to REALLY use the intelligence they have to critically look at themselves and their friends and say “does this really add up”?
Lastly, until people stop looking and saying ‘oh, it’s just a phase’, we are collectively letting an entire generation of our future, perhaps one of the last, self destruct. It isn’t cute, it isn’t harmless. It is the polar opposite of everything we believe in.
Everyone doubting any of this, PLEASE, Don’t take my ranting for it...
L-O-O-K I-T U-P F-O-R Y-O-U-R-S-E-L-V-E-S!
It happens sure. I don’t doubt your word.
In my area, to date, one of my daughters then-emo schoolmates blew his head off. Another died huffing chemicals. Another ODd on pills. One has had multiple abortions and thinks nothing of it. Several have done time for drug charges. Most had STDs though avoided AIDS. Her ex-2 year boyfriend was nailed as a meth dealer No one had any clue as he had his ‘operation’ outside their circles. He had two great parents too. Decently wealthy.
Think about that. 2 years and he hid it that well. His own ‘friends’ were totally clueless. That mentality is pervasive. “Do what thou will”. Crowley believed that too. He was an accomplished liar and didn’t think about anyone but himself, his wants et all. That’s Emo and how many of them think, and act.
And this was in small/medium town America. All the families were ‘normal’ in the general sense. All the kids decent in school.
They didn’t grow out of it. Some do. Out of her ‘circle’ my daughter and one other made it to normalicy relatively unschathed. See above for the rest. But the culture itself is toxic as hell and drags many down the spiral.
I don’t know exactly what it is you gentlemen want from me or why you keep badgering me. I gather you want me to try to convert emo kids to Christianity? That’s not happening. They are correct when they say that religion is toxic. That they might embrace liberalism in its place is problematic, but does point to the difficulty humans have in finding structure without other people giving it to them. I will always be a voice for certain conservative values: individualism, hard work, responsibility, clean living, etc. But I have no interest in shoving the kids back to Christianity. If they are trying to free themselves of a gang culture (that is actually comfortably entwined with Christianity) or muslim culture in Iraq, they have my sympathies and support.
I don’t ‘want’ anything. I thought we were having a discussion. My apologies.
I’m not badgering you. You disagreed with me, and I explained why I am right and you are wrong, and a pinged Norm since he knows a lot about the topic.
You only like people to respond to your comments who agree with you?
“If they are trying to free themselves of a gang culture (that is actually comfortably entwined with Christianity)”
I rescind that apology as I missed this. You are on the wrong website. You did read the FR mission statement on the front page didn’t you?
“Abdul-Raheem al-Rikabi, Baghdad representative for Iraq’s most influential Shi’ite cleric, Ali al-Sistani, called the killings “terrorist attacks”.
“Such a phenonomenon which has spread among young people should be tackled through dialogue and peaceful means and not through physical liquidation,” Rikabi told Reuters.”
Sadly Rush has addressed this repeatedly on his show. He has no intention. Unfortunately.
Oops...wrong thread. This was meant for the Rush/Carbonite thread.
Well, I’m here. Lots of conservative atheists are here. As long as the owner of this website appreciates what we can contribute as conservatives, we’ll be here.
As it should be. It’s his site after all. You know the one that says..”Welcome to Free Republic, America’s exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservatives!”. Somehow it seems odd that equating christians to an organized gang is consistent with that.
His call, not mine. I can however point it out to you in case you somehow missed it.
Most non-militant atheists I talk with on FR seem to be able to keep their beliefs in check. But in the two ‘conversations’ you and I have ever had on FR you have gone to the atheist schtick slamming Christianity both times. I wonder why. This one had nothing to do with Christianity.
I am wondering why you equate gang culture’s trappings of Chrisitan symbols with actual Christianity. I realize you’ve stated that you are an atheist, but it seems that you are an aggressive atheists who thinks there is no value in religious belief. In fact, you clearly state that “religion is toxic”.
Why do you hang out on FR since your beliefs are in diametric opposition to the mission of FR, other than I suppose low taxes and 2nd Amendment rights? You hate religion and from what I’ve read all social conservative posiitons.
I don’t “want” you to do anything - you have free will; I don’t see where anything I or Norm (courtesy ping) said made you think that either one of us were trying to “get” you to do anything. Sincere belief in God is definitely a stabilizing influence on anyone’s life.
The list of conservative values you list are notably absent of any social conservative issues but I know you well enough to know that is not an oversight.
You are the one who brought up atheism.
My point is, believing in God does NOT keep people out of gangs and crime.
Apologies to all you VanBuren-bots.
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