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The Rush Limbaugh LIVE Radio Show Thread - Thursday, March 8, 2012
Posted on 03/08/2012 7:42:18 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan
Quick post Hubby's grandmother is not doing well so off to see her. Please send prayers. She's a real gem!
TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cholesterol; heartdisease; lundell; rushlimbaugh; rushlive; talkradio
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To: Fllyguy
Altogether now ...
I do very poorly in taking direction from others. In fact, I don't seem to follow along very well when someone uses a bullhorn to shout, "We" and "Let's", etc..
And for some really strange reason, I somehow prefer not to be treated like livestock when someone waves a cattle-prod around. Maybe its just me.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:25:34 AM PST
by
pyx
(Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
To: bluerose
Thanks for link! Honest...with husband’s “cocktail” of meds and instructions on eating (no “real”’eggs; no butter; lean, white meat or fish only) I called it “Frankenfoods” and was pretty much told THIS WAS THE SETTLED MEDICAL SCIENCE.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:26:39 AM PST
by
PennsylvaniaMom
(Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.)
To: Excellence
What Rush is describing is what Atkins said about fat and the Atkins diet.
I have to say you that my daughter, who has been an elite athlete, works out daily and follows a low fat diet with little red meat, has had high cholesterol since she was in college. Her body fat is extremely low, yet she has high cholesterol.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:27:29 AM PST
by
Eva
To: bluerose
Meant to say my brother swears by Lipitor for years but still has relatively high chol.
I love butter and olive oil. Love sugar too though..and bread...and pasta ;) The family likes Olivio spread.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:27:45 AM PST
by
bluerose
(Newt Gingrich or Santorum and Col. Allen West for VP!)
To: Eva
I have extremely low cholesterol, and I really like double-blind studies. There is good information here, but there is a danger in citing a doctor who has lost his license for the reasons stated. Rush should have vetted this guy first, and I sent an email to Rush saying so.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:32:38 AM PST
by
Excellence
(9/11 was an act of faith.)
To: bluerose
Reducing cholesterol isn’t going to work if you don’t cut back on carbs at the same time.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:33:35 AM PST
by
Eva
To: All
Just googled this guy's name because I missed Rush's mention of his website and lo and behold:
Dwight C. Lundell, M.D. lost medical license in 2008. Since that time he has been promoting books that clash with scientific knowledge of heart disease prevention and treatment.
What the hell is Rush pushing?
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:37:01 AM PST
by
JohnG45
To: Eva
Rush talking now about cars. I have a Toyota Rav4 (the little SUV), and I love it. It gets better gas mileage than advertised, it carries everything I want to take anywhere, and it’s a real pleasure to drive.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:37:37 AM PST
by
American Quilter
(GO SANTORUM! Last true conservative in the race.)
To: Eagle of Liberty
Well, I think that Obama wants to run against Romney and I will tell you why.
Obamacare will fundamentally change the US and shackle each and everyone of us to the government.
I’m thinking that Obama isn’t going to let this opportunity go down in flames. I think that Obama is planning to back down on the federal mandate before the election, right after Romney gets the nomination. Obama will instead call for states to individually pass the mandate. Romney has already said that this was possible.
Romney will be left standing there stammering and stuttering with nothing to say. Obama will have won.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:38:36 AM PST
by
Eva
To: Excellence
Indeed. Doesn't Rush have an entire staff to look up this stuff? Granted, he was a heart surgeon for 25 years and you're bound to get some unhappy customers in that time.
A Skeptical Look at Dwight Lundell, M.D.
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Dwight C. Lundell, M.D. lost medical license in 2008. Since that time he has been promoting books that clash with scientific knowledge of heart disease prevention and treatment. His book, The Great Cholesterol Lie, invites people to "forget about everything you have been told about low-fat diets, saturated fats, cholesterol and the causes of heart disease." According to The Great Cholesterol Lie Web site:
- Dropping your cholesterol levels will not lower your risk of heart disease, attack, or strokes.
- During his career as a cardiac surgeon, he performed over 5,000 heart operations, most of which could have been easily prevented had the patients been given the right information.
- "Heart disease has a cure . . . .You can beat it without harmful medications and painful, risky surgery."
- The Great Cholesterol Lie . . . is "as close to a new heart as you can get without laying on Dr. Lundell's table."
- Lundell "guarantees" that the book "can turn your health around."
This article tells why I would not trust Lundell's advice.
Medical and Regulatory History
After graduating from the University of Arizona Medical School in 1971, Lundell completed a one-year internship and two years of surgical residency in general surgery at the University Medical Center in Tucson, Arizona, followed by two years of residency in chest surgery at Yale University Medical Center in New Haven, Connecticut. He became certified in cardiothoracic surgery, which he practiced for about 25 more years.
In 2007, Lundell began the Healthy Humans Foundation Blog, which stated that he was "refocusing" his career on the prevention and cure of heart disease [1]. He also produced a book called The Cure for Heart Disease which, according to its description on Amazon Books, "is different than every other book exploring the number one killer of Americans" and is "a riveting yet straight forward discussion that challenges public consensus, explains the reasons for the epidemic of heart disease, and provides an easy to follow guide to eliminate heart disease." [2] A comment on the Amazon pageindicate that it advocates a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, low-dose aspirin, and fish oil and conjugated linoleic acid supplements for everyone. |
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In 2004, the Healthy Humans Foundation issued a news release that plugged the book and said that Lundell had retired from the practice of surgery in 2004 [3].
Between 2000 and 2008, Lundell was subjected to five regulatory actions by the Arizona Medical Board:
- In 2000, the board concluded that his postoperative management of a patient who died following carotid artery surgery was substandard and insufficiently documented. He was censured for unprofessional conduct, assessed a $2,500 civil penalty, and placed on probation during which he was required to take continuing medical education courses in carotid artery surgery and medical recordkeeping. He was also required to submit to monitoring of his patient records [4].
- In 2003, the board noted that 13 out of 20 charts reviewed by the consultant were deficient because they did not include adequate initial evaluations of the patients. Lundell was censured again and was placed on probation that included quarterly chart reviews [5].
- In 2004, the board found fault with his management of two patients and concluded that his records for these patients were inadequate. He was reprimanded and ordered to serve two more years of probation, during which he was required to undergo an extensive evaluation of his fitness to continue practicing medicine [6].
- In 2006, the board sent him an advisory letter for failure to maintain adequate records and for a technical surgical error [7].
- In 2008, the board reviewed Lundell's management of several more patients and revoked his medical license. The board's order indicated that the board began investigating his care of seven patients after the Banner Desert Medical Hospital suspended Lundell's surgical privileges [7].
Financial and Legal Trouble
Lundell also ran into considerable difficulty in his nonmedical affairs. Although the full records are not readily available, documents I found on the Internet indicate the following:
- In 1990 Lundell filed for bankruptcy. At that time, there were several lawsuits pending in state court on the theory that he was a partner in a construction business called West Coast Construction in which he had invested. I don't know the outcome of these suits, but he ultimately wound up owing at least $20 million dollars.
- In 2005, he again filed for bankruptcy, claiming to have assets of $12,990 and liabilities of $20,185,769.60. The liabilities included $74,264.77 in credit card debts, $78,932.48 for accounting services, the $20 million debt related to the previous bankruptcy, and "unknown amounts" of state and federal taxes owed. The financial statement also listed his earnings as $0 for 2005, $0 for $2004, and $288,436 for 2003 [8].
- In 2004, Lundell leaded guilty in federal court to three counts of willful failure to file income tax returns. A newspaper report indicates that he had become a client of "tax protestor" Wayne C. Bentson after a long-running dispute with the IRS and that rather than filing tax returns from 1992 to 1996, Lundell had filed affidavits contesting the government's right to levy taxes [9]. In 2005, Lundell was sentenced to three years' probation, but the probation was terminated after 16 months. Bentson was ordered to pay $1,129,937 to the Internal Revenue Service and was sentenced to four years in prison, to be followed by three years of supervised release [10].
Other Activities
Lundell says he founded the Healthy Humans Foundation "to help the human race free themselves of chronic diseases such as obesity, diabetes, heart disease, mental disorders, and other diseases caused by improper nutrition and misleading consumer information." [11] I was unable to find an entry in the business listings of the Arizona Secretary State or the IRS's database of nonprofit organizations.
From 2007 through May 2010, Lundell was listed as an advisor to NourishLife, a company that markets vitamins, fish oil supplements, and conjugated linoleic acid supplements as "pharmaceutical grade" products claimed to help children with speech problems. After the Chicago Tribune criticized the products and mentioned that Lundell had lost his medical license [12], he was removed from the page of advisors on the NourishLife Web site.
Lundell's book, The Great Cholesterol Lie, is offered for $49.95 through The Truth About Health Disease Web site, which also invites people to sign up as members:
- Silver membership ($47/month) includes "a vast amount of information" every month."
- Platinum membership: (77/month) adds access to month;y teleseminars in which Lundell answers questions and twice-monthly interviews with "cutting edge experts."
- Gold membership: ($245/month) adds a one-hour or two half-hour private consultations with Lundell.
A free copy of
The Great Cholesterol Lie is included in all three categories or can be obtained for $4.95 with a ten-day "trial membership." However, the site says that it is not accepting new members at this time.
The Bottom Line
Dr. Lundell would like you to believe that he has special knowledge of heart disease prevention. I do not trust his advice.
References
- Healthy Humans Foundation Blog, accessed Sept 18, 2011.
- The Cure for Heart Disease: The Truth Will Save a Nation. Amazon.com Web site, accessed Sept 18, 2011.
- Charles D. Retired Heart Surgeon Dwight Lundell Continues to Save Lives Retired heart surgeon Dwight Lundell spent 25 years performing over 5,000 heart surgeries. Today his newest book, The Cure for Heart Disease continues to save lives by exposing the truth behind the causes of heart disease and attacks. Healrthy Humand Foundation News Release, PR Web, Nov 11, 2008.
- Findings of fact, conclusions of law, and order (censure with probation). In the matter of Dwight C. Lundell Before the Arizona Board of Medical Examiners, June 27, 2000.
- Findings of fact, conclusions of law, and order (decree of censure & probation). In the matter of Dwight C. Lundell. Before the Arizona Board of Medical Examiners, March 20, 2004.
- Consent agrement and order for letter of reprimand and probation. In the matter of Dwight C. Lundell Before the Arizona Board of Medical Examiners, June 17, 2003.
- Findings of fact, conclusions of law, and order (license revocation). In the matter of Dwight C. Lundell Before the Arizona Board of Medical Examiners, October 9, 2008.
- Lundell D. Voluntary petition for bankruptcy. U.S. Bankruptcy Court, District of Arizona, filed Oct 14, 2005.
- Grado G. E.V. surgeon suing Banner for stripped privileges. East Valley Tribune, April 15, 2004.
- Arizona man sentenced to four years in prison for tax fraud. U.S. Department of Justice news release, May 15, 2005.
- About us. Healthy Humans Foundation Web site, archived Jan 26, 2009.
- Shelton DL. Speech experts are wary of untested supplement sold as a speech aid for kids with verbal apraxia. Chicago Tribune, Sept 10, 2010.
This article was revised on September 21, 2011. quot; [2] A comment on the Amazon pageindicate that it advocates a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, low-dose aspirin, and fish oil and conjugated linoleic acid supplements for everyone.Grado G.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:38:42 AM PST
by
sam_paine
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To: Excellence
Interesting. But the facts he quotes in the article still stand, for instance:
Despite the fact that 25% of the population takes expensive statin medications and despite the fact we have reduced the fat content of our diets, more Americans will die this year of heart disease than ever before.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:39:09 AM PST
by
bluerose
(Newt Gingrich or Santorum and Col. Allen West for VP!)
To: JohnG45
I don’t know, but he should have vetted this guy first.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:40:10 AM PST
by
Excellence
(9/11 was an act of faith.)
To: bluerose
Thanks for the link. I have taken myself off my statin prescription given to me due to chest pains, HDL too low and inflammation. I was always achy. I am totally free from soreness and working to regain my agility such as touching my toes while standing and head to knees. Food changes are key.
1. NO processed foods.
2. NO sugar and flour products.
3. I have dairy and meat sparingly - butter on baked sweet potatoes and cheese on salads. If I need something quick, I juice or eat raw vegetables. I never eat pork or bacon, chicken and beef are hormone free, antibiotic free, and grass fed.
To: pyx
Amen...today, the more I'm told I have to or something is inevitable, the more I go the other way.
I fear for my country but not because I think the GOP race is going on too long. I can only imagine how PO’d I would be if I lived in CA or TX and told I couldn't participate in the GOP primary because “we are splitting the vote” OR “we have to move on and focus on Obama”.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:42:58 AM PST
by
Fllyguy
(We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a Pastor or Manager-in-Chief)
To: IMissPresidentReagan
I tuned in late and caught only the tail end of the piece he was reading about inflammation in your arteries. Can you or anyone direct me to the article he was reading from? thanks!
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:43:07 AM PST
by
Ditter
To: Excellence
Most of the complaints stem from poor record keeping. Also, what doctor, practicing for 25 years, hasn’t had a complaint or 2 about a surgical procedure.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:43:07 AM PST
by
bluerose
(Newt Gingrich or Santorum and Col. Allen West for VP!)
To: Eva
Oh, I did. Not completely but a lot. I also walk 4-5 miles six days a week.
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:45:05 AM PST
by
bluerose
(Newt Gingrich or Santorum and Col. Allen West for VP!)
To: sam_paine
I hope this doesn’t come back to bite Rush.
We’re good, aren’t we? Man, what did this take, 10 minutes?
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:45:16 AM PST
by
Excellence
(9/11 was an act of faith.)
To: sam_paine
Why would any good FReeper automatically believe the Arizona Board of Medical Examiners?
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posted on
03/08/2012 10:45:20 AM PST
by
donna
(Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
To: JohnG45
I googled the doctor also. Piecing together several from several sites:
It seems he practiced medicine for 32 years and retired. In retirement, he began alternative medicine. He lost his license due to losing diction notes.?
IMHO...he was a target of mainstream medicine, big pharma, and food corporations.
My new diet keeps me out of the middle of the grocery store just veggies, fruits, some grain, some meat, and some diary.
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