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OK...now give me five good reasons against gay marriage without referring to god, religion, or the bible directly or indirectly.


3 posted on 02/17/2012 5:02:37 AM PST by Logic n' Reason ("To keep you is no benefit; to kill you is no loss.")
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To: Logic n' Reason
How about AIDS.
Confused children who have two mommy's or daddy's.
Our anatomy is not designed to accommodate same sex, sex.
I'm sure that there are plenty more, but for me God's reasons are enough.
6 posted on 02/17/2012 5:21:17 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Logic n' Reason

It is against the natural law. It is against biology.


8 posted on 02/17/2012 5:30:00 AM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Logic n' Reason
From Commentaries on the Laws of England by William Blackstone. The standard legal textbook (along with Edward Cokes Reports) in the United States up until at least the era of Lincoln.

Our law considers marriage in no other light than as a civil contract (not a right). . . . The duty of parents to provide for the maintenance of their children is a principle of natural law; an obligation, laid on them not only by nature herself, but by their proper act, in bringing them into the world: for they would be in the highest manner injurious to their issue, if they only gave the children life, that they might afterwards see them perish. . . And thus the children will have a perfect right of receiving maintenance from their parents. And the president Montesquieu has a very just observation upon this head: that the establishment of marriage in all civilized states is built on this natural obligation of the father to provide for his children; for that ascertains and makes known the person who is bound to fulfill this obligation: whereas, in promiscuous and illicit conjunctions, the father is unknown; and the mother finds a thousand obstacles in her way.

and I would add that fellow citizens, as a consequence, must be deprived of the natural right to the fruit of their own labor to provide maintenance for the child.

Governments are instituted to protect the natural rights of citizens (Declaration of Independence). Civil marriage is a contract that delegates that responsibility (for the child) to the parents who created the child. A child has a natural right to a mother and a father. Civil marriage insures that right. It requires parents to care for children they create thereby protecting the natural right of other citizens.

Gay marriage cannot produce children. What they do or how they live there lives is not a civil concern. If there are impediments to there pursuit of happiness, they should be removed.

14 posted on 02/17/2012 5:39:15 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Logic n' Reason
OK...now give me five good reasons against gay marriage without referring to god, religion, or the bible directly or indirectly.

Well, you could google "five reasons against gay marriage secular view: and find some for yourself. Here's one article: A Secular Case Against Gay Marriage?

Here are there highlights....go to the article to read their logic/justification.

(1) Anti-Minoritarianism. The majority has rights, too..........

(2) The social recognition of committed heterosexual bonding has been a constant for thousands of years.........

(3) There really is a slippery slope here. Once marriage has been redefined to include homosexual pairings, what grounds will there be to oppose futher redefinition —

(4) If you have a cognitively-challenged underclass, as every large nation has, you need some anchoring institutions for them to aspire to; and those institutions should have some continuity and stability. ........

(5) Human nature exists, and has fixed characteristics. We are not infinitely malleable. ..........

(6) There is a thinness in the arguments for gay marriage that leaves one thinking the proponents are not so much for something as against something. How many times have you heard that gay marriage is necessary so that gay people will not be hindered in visiting a hospitalized partner? .........
17 posted on 02/17/2012 5:41:06 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Logic n' Reason
There was a piece posted on FR some time back The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage that was interesting.

The author's basic premise was : Homosexual relationships do nothing to serve the state interest of propogating society, so there is no reason to grant them the costly benefits of marriage.
25 posted on 02/17/2012 6:00:56 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Logic n' Reason

Your premise is unworkable. Once you take G-d out of the equasion, why isn’t it okay to commit murder? Why isn’t incest okay too? Why shouldn’t you be able to commit perjury with no fear of punishment? Why shouldn’t you be able to go into your neighbor’s house and take his big screen TV? Why not bed your pet goat?
Every single law we have is based on the admonitions in the Bible and without it, how do you define morality? How do you differentiate between man and beast?
YOU think you are being logical, but what you are really doing is wiping out the very underpinnings of civilization itself.

Leviticcus
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And thou shalt not give any of thy seed to set them apart to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy G-d: I am HaShem.
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Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.
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And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto; it is perversion.
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Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things; for in all these the nations are defiled, which I cast out from before you.
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And the land was defiled, therefore I did visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomited out her inhabitants.
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Ye therefore shall keep My statutes and Mine ordinances, and shall not do any of these abominations; neither the home-born, nor the stranger that sojourneth among you—
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for all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you, and the land is defiled—
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that the land vomit not you out also, when ye defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.
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For whosoever shall do any of these abominations, even the souls that do them shall be cut off from among their people.
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Therefore shall ye keep My charge, that ye do not any of these abominable customs, which were done before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am HaShem your G-d.

These Laws have served us well for over 6,000 years. They have raised us above beasts of the jungle and beasts of the field, But YOU would wipe it all out because you are so much smarter than the all the wisdom that civlized us without even realizing that what you propose is the downfall of HUMAN culture and a return to the cave.


28 posted on 02/17/2012 6:14:53 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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now give me five good reasons against gay marriage without referring to god, religion, or the bible directly or indirectly.

How about just one? The state has no business telling people who they can and cannot form contractual alliances with. Therefore, the state should divest itself of the marriage business entirely, neither sanctioning nor disapproving it. Its compelling interest is limited to only the legal issues of property, child custody, etc.. So leave it there.

33 posted on 02/17/2012 6:32:09 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Logic n' Reason
Men having Sex with Men abbreviated = MSM

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MSM account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated 532,000 total persons).

MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).

While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).

MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

The high prevalence of HIV among gay and bisexual men means MSM face a greater risk of being exposed to infection with each sexual encounter, especially as they get older.

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Count one reason... or (5) five... as you wish.

QUOTED: From a CDC Fact sheet published in September 2010

God doesn't hate sin because He is into being a buzzkill.

God hates sin because it is destructive to life as He intended us to enjoy it!

Have a nice day.

34 posted on 02/17/2012 6:32:21 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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Because Gay Marriage is legal in MA. Federal Judge Wolfe ruled that all parental notification and opt out laws are hereby null and void. If you protest them you will be arrested and have the Superintendent of Schools and some city councilors protesting in front of your house. gay Activists can also enter public schools and have access to other people’s children to talk about El Joy de Sex without undergoing a CORI (criminal background check). If you are in Kiwanis and want to participate in the Reading is Fundamental program you do have to have a CORI check. Because we have gay Marriage, adults get to go behind the locked doors of Boston City Hall and attend the BAGLY “Prom” No Press. No Police. No Parents. Allowed.


36 posted on 02/17/2012 6:42:12 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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How 'bout because the folks pushing Transhumanist-Postgenderist doctrine...

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=Transhumanist+PostGenderist
 

...are obviously, insanely, INhuman?

in·hu·man/inˈ(h)yo͞omən/

Adjective:

      1. Lacking human qualities of compassion and mercy; cruel and barbaric.
      2. Not human in nature or character

 

 

 

45 posted on 02/17/2012 7:13:27 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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Hey, no logic nor reason, rather than change the terms of the discussion, take a shot at disputing the points in the column.


63 posted on 02/17/2012 10:49:10 AM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Logic n' Reason

I suppose it could be done—but WHY? So lets hear your five reasons why the thing Created ought say to the Creator WHY have you fashioned me thus? We were established a Christian nation. I find No credible reason to exclude God,religion, or the Bible.


66 posted on 02/17/2012 11:57:04 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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How about Ewwwww?


67 posted on 02/17/2012 12:32:46 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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Logic n' Reason wants five reasons why same sex marriage is not a good idea that do not refer to religion. Here are five to start with; there are many more.
1. It is against the Laws of nature, since sodomy is against the laws of nature.
2. It is cultural suicide to glorify, legalize and protect unnatural and perverted behavior.
3. Children raised by mentally ill sex perverts have a horrible time in life, this is clearly been documented.
4. Children in the foster or otherwise care of mentally ill sex perverts are much more often sexually molested, as homosexuals have a very high rate of pedophilia, Hebephilia - molesting 11–14 year olds, and Ephebophilia - teenagers above 14.
5. Schools in states where "gay marriage" is somehow become legal, teach children that "gay is good" and books like Heather Has Two Mommies and Daddy's Roomate are read to children, and that's just for starters. I have more, plenty more.

68 posted on 02/17/2012 12:54:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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MARRIAGE is a legal framework comprised of a variety of rights, but also alot of PROTECTIONS. These protections are required because of the DIFFERENCES between men and women and also because a mail-female pair can produce children. For example, a man must be protected from being required to support children he did not father, and a woman must be protected from being traded in for a newer model at a time when her attractiveness (physical, and ability to bear children) is waning and his attractiveness (income potential) is increasing. Children produced by the relationship also must be provided for if the couple splits up. None of this applies to a same-sex couple (with the possible exception of adopted children). The kind of things that Gays claim to want are available with the appropriate already-existing legal instruments (power of attorney, “next of kin” status, etc) or could be combined into a properly crafted “civil union” framework. But even that is kinda “iffy” since not all same-sex relationships necessarily expect the same things of each other. Either way, the MARRIAGE legal framework does not apply to a same-sex relationship and our legal system should not be cluttered up with it as regards break-ups of same-sex couples.


69 posted on 02/17/2012 12:59:31 PM PST by JG52blackman
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puhlease....


71 posted on 02/17/2012 1:09:01 PM PST by brivette
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OK...now give me five good reasons against gay marriage without referring to god [sic], religion, or the bible [sic] directly or indirectly.

This sounds suspiciously like you are "concern trolling" in favor of sodomite marriage.

Free Republic is a PRO-GOD, PRO-MORALITY forum that OPPOSES the homosexual agenda.

Do you realize that prior to a few years ago, throughout history, ALL CULTURES had one common element to marriage and that is that a marriage contained EXACTLY ONE MAN? Some polygamous cultures have had one man and two or more women, but there is ALWAYS one man, never more than one and never no men.

76 posted on 02/17/2012 1:29:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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It appears that Logic n’ Reason decided to ride the lightning........

Adios, homosexual agena pusher!!

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84 posted on 02/17/2012 2:28:45 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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85 posted on 02/17/2012 3:29:06 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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OK...now give me five good reasons against gay marriage without referring to god, religion, or the bible directly or indirectly.

I'll let God respond in due time. Which will occur at precisely the time you realize you were wrong about Him.

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86 posted on 02/17/2012 3:40:02 PM PST by bcsco
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