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Deal reached on unemployment, payroll tax cut
cbs ^ | 2/16/2012 | ap

Posted on 02/16/2012 8:46:50 AM PST by tobyhill

Relieved congressional bargainers say they've reached agreement on compromise legislation extending payroll tax cuts and benefits for the long-term unemployed through 2012, edging a white-hot political battle a major step closer to finally being resolved.

Rep. David Camp, R-Mich., and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the two top negotiators, strode from a conference room minutes after midnight Thursday to say that only technical issues and the drafting of legislative language remained. The bill would assure a continued tax cut for 160 million workers and jobless benefits for several million others, delivering top election-year priorities for President Barack Obama.

"It's a very good deal for the country," said Baucus, who chairs the Senate Finance Committee.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: payrolltax; unemployment
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To: 1rudeboy
The way Obama counts it doesn't but it actually does. All these people that have been dropped out of the system, which is why the numbers dropped, will suddenly be added back into the “unemployed” but in the workforce once they refile.

What they may try to pull is increase the participation rate from the current record low to equal the numbers of new filings to give an illusion everything is fine.

21 posted on 02/16/2012 9:18:27 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
If you qualify, you are eligible for benefits for a maximum of 26 weeks in most states.
The Extended Benefits program is generally available to individuals during overall high times of unemployment. These benefits can provide up to an additional 13 weeks. In certain situations, the benefits can be extended up to an additional 20 weeks.

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So, you can expect to collect Unemployment Benefits for 39 weeks (just short of 10 months); now we want to extend this to ANOTHER 73 weeks, thus giving every unemployed worker a total of 112 weeks to find another job? That's over 2 years of living off the taxpayer, will looking for another job.

22 posted on 02/16/2012 9:18:52 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: tobyhill
It’s on top but in lieu of the 99 weeks so if someone is at 98 weeks then they can apply for the additional 73 weeks.

Please cite a link for that claim. I ask because that is not stated in the article.

23 posted on 02/16/2012 9:20:31 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: tobyhill
Yes, adjusting the labor force participation rate is the primary method to massage the unemployment rate figure. But unemployment compensation does not count in the calculation.

I really am running out of ways to repeat the same thing over and over.

24 posted on 02/16/2012 9:23:05 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: upchuck
It is 73 MORE weeks. If someone is on their 98th week then they can file for the extension and that will make 171 weeks.
25 posted on 02/16/2012 9:24:39 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: Ace of Spades
I worked and I paid into the system

A common misperception here- companies pay 100 % of unemployment premiums- workers pay nothing. Check your paystubs if you don't believe it. To call it welfare isn't accurate; but to say you paid into it isn't either.

The company you worked for paid for you, and will continue to pay in increased premiums, as long as you draw unemployment, and for quite a while after. Unemployment is an employee benefit, paid for by the company.

26 posted on 02/16/2012 9:24:45 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: tobyhill

An example of how OWS did its intended job in preparing the battlefield. Pubbies turned jelly-kneed at the thought of facing “the 99%” if they opposed this.


27 posted on 02/16/2012 9:26:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: upchuck

The Texas Workforce Commission that I just called. Now call yourself.

BTW, that’s the reason it’s costing an ADDITIONAL $100 billion. If it was as you claim then it would actually save money from what the previous estimates were.


28 posted on 02/16/2012 9:28:32 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Dropped from the final compromise were proposals to renew expiring business tax cuts; a GOP plan to require unemployment recipients to work toward high school equivalency diplomas; and another Republican provision, aimed at illegal immigrants, requiring low-income people to have Social Security numbers before they can get checks from the Internal Revenue Service for the children's tax credit.

Why do we bother with foreign aid at all? We can just put everyone in the world on US welfare, since no one ever has to prove citizenship to get their "free" money.

29 posted on 02/16/2012 9:28:40 AM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: tobyhill

You all are driving me nuts!
Unemployment compensation is not welfare.
When you lose your job of 25+ years, you DO NOT have to take a job for less money than what you were paid at your previous job. The chances of one finding another job at your last rate is slim to none, especially for someone over 50, as indicated many times over by others.
So, my point, ease off on the folks over 50, they deserve a rest. They’ve worked hard, and if they are milking the system, so what, they paid into it.


30 posted on 02/16/2012 9:32:18 AM PST by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: 1rudeboy

You’re right.


31 posted on 02/16/2012 9:32:32 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

You all are driving me nuts!
Unemployment compensation is not welfare.
When you lose your job of 25+ years, you DO NOT have to take a job for less money than what you were paid at your previous job. The chances of one finding another job at your last rate is slim to none, especially for someone over 50, as indicated many times over by others.
So, my point, ease off on the folks over 50, they deserve a rest. They’ve worked hard, and if they are milking the system, so what, they paid into it.


32 posted on 02/16/2012 9:35:20 AM PST by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: tobyhill

You all are driving me nuts!
Unemployment compensation is not welfare.
When you lose your job of 25+ years, you DO NOT have to take a job for less money than what you were paid at your previous job. The chances of one finding another job at your last rate is slim to none, especially for someone over 50, as indicated many times over by others.
So, my point, ease off on the folks over 50, they deserve a rest. They’ve worked hard, and if they are milking the system, so what, they paid into it.


33 posted on 02/16/2012 9:35:31 AM PST by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: siamesecats
“They’ve worked hard, and if they are milking the system, so what, they paid into it.”

Then why is it costing taxpayer's $100 billion?

34 posted on 02/16/2012 9:36:05 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

This is bad economics, but good politics....for the short term.

Too many voters can’t or won’t see past the bumper-sticker to understand the economics.

Better to take the club from Obama’s hand and live to kick him out of office, to more effectively resolve the problem.


35 posted on 02/16/2012 9:39:04 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: All
The reason I refer to it as “welfare” is that if Obama’s claims that jobs are so plentiful, he also stated to a Youtube participant, then there should be no one out of work that wants a job.
36 posted on 02/16/2012 9:45:57 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

I have no clue, I was not an economics major.
Methinks something else was snuck into the bill they’re not telling us???


37 posted on 02/16/2012 9:46:57 AM PST by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: ltc8k6
Unless they play with the numbers some more...

And what about this administration - or our king - would lead you to believe they WON'T continue to lie to us?
38 posted on 02/16/2012 9:50:23 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

And I agree too.Fortunately,I am self employed and still have enough work. We are an industrialized nation that is going broke. People can’t just go home and “live on the farm” like many could do during the depression. There aren’t enough cars to wash, or bathrooms to clean to employ all the people out of work. It’s true that there are those that milk the system, but for the most part, people who have to use unemployment benefits would rather not be having to do so. Maybe I’m not “conservative enough” on this issue, but I really believe that helping folks survive by unemployment benefits is one of the more legitimate uses of our tax dollars. I can think of a lot of other things and agencies that could be defunded to help fund unemployment benefits.


39 posted on 02/16/2012 9:58:56 AM PST by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: tobyhill

Actually won’t that put people back on the unemployment list and increase the denominator and make the unemployment rate higher by the election?

I mean this will make the disappearing people reappear


40 posted on 02/16/2012 10:00:02 AM PST by hecht (Murray use your coaster)
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