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oposed strip club to nuns: Don’t impose your religious beliefs on us
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | February 12, 2012 | Stefano Esposito

Posted on 02/13/2012 4:20:40 AM PST by Graybeard58

The owner of a soon-to-be-built strip club in the western suburb of Stone Park has this to say to a group of neighboring nuns who don’t like his plans: Mind your own business.

“As a legal, tax-paying citizen of this community, we ask only to be judged fairly by what we have done and not through the recent religious fervor,” Bob Itzkow, the club’s owner, said in statement released Friday. “In reference to our non-tax-paying neighbors, we ask that you treat us as we have treated you, by not trying to unduly disturb us by imposing your religious beliefs on us or others. All throughout our plans for this project, we’ve followed the letter and spirit of the law.”

The Missionary Sisters of Saint Charles Borromeo, who occupy the property next to the club, have moral objections to the project and have raised questions about whether the rules were followed properly by Stone Park officials during the 2010 approval process.

Stone Park Mayor Beniamino Mazulla has said everything was done legally, even though he’s not personally a big fan of the project.

On Friday, one of the nuns, Sister Marissonia Daltoe, responded to Itzkow’s statement this way: “To me personally, this is not a matter of imposing religious beliefs — it’s a matter of defending our moral Christian principles of the community at large.”

Daltoe said the sisters are currently “in a moment of reflection” regarding any future efforts to fight the club.

“We are thinking,” she said. “We are seeing what can be done."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: catholic; moralabsolutes; sex; sexindustry
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
For rights to be eternal and unalienable, they must come from God. God has given us freewill, Why? To choose good, not evil. The choice of evil is an abuse of free will.

I think I'm starting to get it.

It's like a parent telling their child they are free to choose to eat either the spinach or the ice cream... as long as they choose the spinach. If instead they choose the ice cream, the freedom of choice will no longer be unalienable, the parent may take the right to choose away, and the parent will FORCE the child to eat the spinach.

But free will gives the child the choice to eat the spinach voluntarily instead of being forced to eat it.

Is that how it works?

41 posted on 02/13/2012 7:16:06 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Graybeard58

Folks, the simplest solution is for the nuns to ATTEND the strip club. Sit in the front row, order water, pay the minimum (ladies night?) and chat with the dancers about how they might make their lives better.

In full traditional habit if they can.

Let’s just say it will change the mood for the men who would be attending.


42 posted on 02/13/2012 7:18:49 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Graybeard58

43 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:13 AM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: Wissa

Very well put. The freedom to choose good means nothing if there is no alternative. Of course God wants us to choose good; but the value in choosing good is, in part, the rejection of evil. God also gives us the freedom to worship Him, but He does not force us to, or else how would that be freedom at all?

Adam and Eve failed to choose the good (which didn’t entail actually DOING good, only refraining from disobeying God in the Garden of Eden), and Man has paid the price (until Christ picked up the tab).


44 posted on 02/13/2012 7:34:20 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Wissa

Eating ice cream isn’t evil, so the analogy fails.

A better analogy would be the choice between eating a dish of ice cream, versus eating a half gallon. The latter would represent an abuse of freedom —I.e., gluttony.


45 posted on 02/13/2012 7:53:16 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Eating ice cream isn’t evil, so the analogy fails.

Who said anything about the parent withdrawing the freedom to choose because it was evil? They could take away the freedom to choose based on the color of the food chosen just as easily as any other arbitrary criteria.

46 posted on 02/13/2012 8:17:11 AM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Graybeard58

Now I get it. Most lesbians do oppose strip clubs.


47 posted on 02/13/2012 8:23:10 AM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a lot of things in my life that I'm not proud of. And the things I am proud of are disgus)
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To: TalBlack

Perhaps I was to harsh, normally I respect others faith. But when people of whatever faith use that faith to try and control others. It really bothers me.


48 posted on 02/13/2012 8:24:24 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: BigCinBigD

Does that include the “faith” of secular humanism?
The assumption of that “faith” is used to control others all the time in our contemporary world.


49 posted on 02/13/2012 8:28:37 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I do not make assumptions. But I can see it when it’s put in practice.


50 posted on 02/13/2012 8:37:52 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: netmilsmom; WaterBoard

The ad hominem aside, the fact remains that the explicit support of the US Catholic Health Organization gave ostensibly “pro-life” Democrats the cover they needed to vote for Obama’s death care law.


51 posted on 02/13/2012 8:41:50 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

>>The ad hominem aside, the fact remains that the explicit support of the US Catholic Health Organization gave ostensibly “pro-life” Democrats the cover they needed to vote for Obama’s death care law.<<

And that has to do with this thread because......???

Oh I know, the word “nuns” is in the title. Never miss a good opportunity to bash. One nun=another.


52 posted on 02/13/2012 8:50:20 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Beelzebubba

Great idea, I’d love to see that happen.


53 posted on 02/13/2012 8:50:42 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Graybeard58

Ladies, it’s time to move your daily prayers to right behind that building. All of you. At full volume. At all the hours you’d normally do them. I have no doubt that will add just the atmosphere your new neighbor was seeking for a strip bar.


54 posted on 02/13/2012 8:57:31 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: BigCinBigD

Sounds like the nuns have touched a nerve.


55 posted on 02/13/2012 8:57:31 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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56 posted on 02/13/2012 9:00:03 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Graybeard58

How about the nuns set up cameras which pictuer everyone that walks into the club?

Shows the name of the owner of the vehible that goes into the club.

Make it a humiliation to patronize it.

peaceful protest via jumbotron and internet.


57 posted on 02/13/2012 9:02:53 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Logic n' Reason

remember the “temperance leagues”? they gave us prohibition and that went over like a lead balloon.


58 posted on 02/13/2012 9:11:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I didn’t think nuns touched anything.


59 posted on 02/13/2012 9:20:02 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“So since God has made it possible for us to choose evil, He doesn’t care if we choose to do evil?”

That’s not even close to what I said or insinuated. Being given the ability to do something is not the same as condoning it. Nonetheless, we were given the ability and the right to choose between good and evil. The consequences of those decisions are our own and we were duly warned.


60 posted on 02/13/2012 10:03:46 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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