Please tell me that your reference to traitor in that last sentence is to Clinton.
Posted on 02/11/2012 10:50:08 PM PST by JediJones
Mitt, Rick, and nickcarraway are sinners, and Newt Gingrich is a pure angel. I don’t care for Romney or Santorum that much, but I don’t make any claims about their soul. But I think it’s hilarious that God tells you that Gingrich is His messenger and beyond reproach, and everyone else is a sinner. I don’t think anyone needed to bring immortal souls into this debate. But I guess since you to were bestowed special powers by God to know who his good and evil, the rest of us bad Christians will slink away, trembling before the mighty gifts God gave thee.
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I don’t think Gingrich or anyone else believes he walks on water, as you stated in another post, I don’t think anybody has claimed Gingrich is Gods messenger.
If you re-read True Believers post, without anger or defensiveness, you may find a beautiful message in it. It wasn’t posted as an attack at you, True has posted that post before. The first time I read it, I had to leave my computer, step outside for a ciggy and I cried like a baby. The message touched me. It is a hopeful one.
Anyhow, below is a quote Newt made, you will see he claims to be nothing but flawed mortal, one that perhaps has some skills to help us and our country. I don’t think you can fault a man for bringing his tool kit and experience to the table. Hopefully we will hire the most experienced man for the job and the one with the best tools available.
“I only exist because the country is in trouble,” Gingrich said. “The question is whether I can in fact help the country work its way out of trouble. If we had 4 percent unemployment and no foreign threat, I couldn’t be a candidate. It would be absurd. There are 20 guys you could pick in peaceful, calm and pleasant times who would be adequate as president, none of whom have my liabilities.”
Please tell me that your reference to traitor in that last sentence is to Clinton.
You completely misunderstood. I never said Gingrich was God’s messenger. True Believer is.
Wow, how Obamaesque of him to say. They both think they are messiahs of destiny. That's for posting this quote.
Well, last Sat I believe it was, True Believer was God’s messenger—for me at least. :)
Seriously though, read the post again without thinking it is aimed at you and don’t worry about candidates. Good stuff.
JediJones: “The Republicans in the 2000s had a Republican president, and still didn’t accomplish as many conservative achievements as Newt did under Clinton.”
That bears repeating. Newt Gingrich accomplished more with a Democrat president than the Republicans accomplished when they held both Congress and the presidency. There is no question that Newt Gingrich pulled Clinton to the right. How can so many people forget the defeat of Hillarycare and the budget battles? Newt Gingrich fought for conservative principles and achieved some, and that’s more than can be said for most Republicans.
Wife no 2 has an FBI file that says she is “mentally unstable”. Seems she tried to sell influence to some Russian among other things. The plea bargain and Newt's paying for her “help” kept her out of prison.
It was during the six year separation from her that Newt met wife no 3. They became friends, then best friends.
She is loving, supportive, and helps bring some of his dreams to fruition. Plus she is adored by his daughters. Would every American be blessed with a spouse that fits her attributes. She is also the person who helped him find his spiritual side.
The Church annulled his first two marriages. He is given communion and receives God's Grace. Guess you're not a Christian.
I lurked a long time on the school’s computer. Wasn’t allowed to log in and comment.
Nice job on arguing ideas and facts.
Oh, wait, you didn’t. All you did was use specious guilt by association.
I was here too....signed up in Feb of 1998.
We kept the comments smokin' back then.
I am fairly certain that is the case. It is not something I hold against Santorum, however. While I am far from a Mitt or Santorum fan, Mitt would have been much preferable to McCain or the Huckster at that point in time.
Is that your biggest issue? Can a person not be patriotic because they committed adultry? They can be saved despite it and worse.
There seems to be some sour grapes and it it shows a new side - in the past you sounded much more rational.
You may want to pay attention to what Christ said about the lost sheep that had gone astray and came back. How the prodigal son was treated and how Paul was brought to faith in Christ and repented like Gingrich did. Do you also dismiss what Paul wrote because he persecuted Christians?
Actual quote from Nancy Reagan, in context: “Just take a look at the extraordinary men and women who make up the 104th Congress, and, of course, this distinguished Speaker Newt Gingrich [gestures to Gingrich]. The dramatic movement of 1995 is an outgrowth of a much earlier crusade that goes back half a century. Barry Goldwater handed the torch to Ronnie. And in turn, Ronnie turned that torch over to Newt and the Republican members of Congress to keep that dream alive. I know that Ronnie believes it will succeed, and that the American people support their efforts.” Note the key phrases: "and the Republican members", "it will succeed", and "their efforts" -- all referencing the congress, not an individual person.
It is statements like this which give fuel to those who see Gingrich as somewhat self-aggrandizing. Claiming a personal endorsement, as the rightful heir to Ronald Reagan, based on a partial quote taken out of context, is a pretty "bold" action.
The PROUD GOP establishment ran Newt out of government. And we do have the history of their accomplishments since. Given the literal history, Newt is NOT taking out of context the remarks made by Nancy. The PROUD GOP enlarged their ‘big tent’ planting the PROUD as their tent pegs and today they are little more than a TARP. And these that promote and protect the politics of sodomy have no shame.
By repeatedly making deep personal cuts and assassinating Speaker Gingrich from behind your keyboard unchallenged, you think you are so clever in the belief that you are getting away with it. But in the end, we all lose, because you are contributing to destroying his chances of winning, even though it is ever so small.
In the event that Romney wins, you will be the one to complain the loudest, we can be sure. And in your ignorance, you will have not a thread of remorse for doing your part to make that happen, because you are incapable of understanding what it is you are actually doing.
Does that excuse you from what it is you are doing? Not at all, because you have been repeatedly opposed and warned about what you are doing.
I couldn’t have said it better but you do know some people just don’t get it.
They already have their opinion and so they can look at just about anything and justify it.
Probably because they need to, who knows.
JB
Where did that come from, adultery has nothing to do with patriotism for or against.
I bet you would have refused to vote for Benjamin Franklin as well?
JB
Well, Nick, I believe you've earned the Best Rewriting of History of the Day Award from the Mitt Romney Historical Society.
Newt's affair was not public knowledge until after he was reelected in 1998 and subsequently left Congress. If it had been, the media would have plastered it all over the place and he surely would have neither run for nor won reelection.
That news didn't come out until Newt was engaged in divorce proceedings with his wife the year after he left Congress and the year after Bill Clinton was impeached.
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/aug/17/local/me-1039
Marianne Gingrich told the Washington Post that she was informed of the affair and the request for a divorce last May...Marianne Gingrich told the Post she was "totally shocked" by the news, and her attorneys last week obtained court permission to interview Gingrich and Callista Bisek
So if Marianne Gingrich was "shocked" about it in May, 1999, 6 months after Newt left Congress and after Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, please explain your timeline on how the affair had any effect on the impeachment debate?
I don't personally think that people who make up lies deserve to be members of this forum.
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