Catholics United Supports Obama Administration's New Compromise Regulation (Vichy Catholics)

Today the Obama Administration announced that the President would be issuing a new regulation fully respecting the religious liberty of Catholic organizations while maintaining access to contraceptive services for all employees.

The new regulation will ensure that Catholic hospitals, universities and social service providers that are religiously opposed to contraception and sterilization do not have to provide or even refer for those services, while also requiring insurance companies provide contraceptive services free of charge to any enrollee who wishes to have the coverage. The objecting religious organizations would have no role in providing coverage or referring employees for services they would deem objectionable. The cost of the contraceptive coverage will be born by the insurance companies and will be offset by the long term cost savings associated with reduced need for maternity care. Using the standard of Catholic moral theology, this solution is acceptable because no Catholic or Catholic institution will be directly involved in what the church deems to be an immoral act.

Thank You for your response :) I meant no harm in my post either, sometimes I have been told I am not very tactful, something I will work on.

I read all you post, very thoughtful!

Not sure what else I can say...Just that “Our Righteousness is as filthy rags” While it`s from the old Testament, Paul quoted it in one of his letters. Cant tell you which one this moment. I am reading Philippians as we speak

You are in good company with all you say, and as you stated you are NOT preaching a Gospel of works.

And AGAIN I was NOT preaching anything along the lines of, get saved and return to sinning, or anything like that at all.

This particular subject is one that I am very confident on personally, that is why the one subject caught my eye on your very full profile page.

To me, anything other than what Jesus did on the cross is just not something I am open to.

Mother Teressa for example...A wonderful Christian she was, her works were many.

If someone else had done all the exact works of Mother Teresa, but had not accepted what Jesus did on the Cross personally for her/him, her works would mean nothing, and that person would not be saved.

For me, anything other than what Jesus did on the Cross for me, is of no value.

Any person that invites Jesus in to their life is going to want to do for the Lord and for others, but has ZERO to do with salvation.

Now the next big event will be the rapture. Yes I know the word rapture is not in the Bible, it`s just a word that has been given to a Biblical event that is to come, you can call it anything you like, you can call it super Tuesday if you like.

The dead in Christ will rise first and join Jesus in the clouds, the lucky Christians that are still alive on that great day will never see physical death, they will then join Jesus and the other in the sky.

Salvation will NOT be a issue for Christians, they will be judged for their works or lack there of, but salvation is not in question for any on that great day.

Getting a reward of any kind on that day is not even something that I imagine, I only bring it up because it fits in to the theme we are discussing. The only place works fits in, and it is outside of our salvation.

Works then become a issue, but not salvation.

For full disclosure I will feel blessed just for salvation, have no expectation for anything other than salvation, I expect to be one of the least, shall we say.No thoughts of any reward from yours truly.

Have a good day :)

To me, anything other than what Jesus did on the cross is just not something I am open to.

This is one of the great differences between Catholics and Protestants... and for good reason. What Protestants fail to connect is that fact that we are the Body of Christ present in this world. The work He came to do was not finished on the Cross, it was begun. It was not the end for which there is no more to be done, it was the beginning from which all else is possible. It's a subtle difference in perspective that makes all the difference in practice.

I'll save you from posting back that He said, "It is finished" on the Cross. What was finished was the Passover offering of the unblemished Lamb as the sacrificial offering of the New Covenant. Surely you can see that history didn't end there... it began anew. He didn't say all was done, He said His offering was made... we are restored in kinship to God... we are sons and daughters of God... we are His Body in the Marriage Feast of the Lamb to His Church... and we carry on his work of salvation until He comes again in glory.

May God bless you.

I think we make a mistake when we say Catholics on one side and Protestants on another. Also you are somehow assuming I am a Protestant, I really am not involved in organized religion. I attend a non denominational Holy Spirit filled Bible Church.

Also I think you make a mistake when you say you speak for all Catholics (implied) I know many Charismatic Catholics that believe as I do.

Infact I watch a Canadian Catholic TV program from Canada most Sundays, It`s called Food For Life, wonderful program. Not that you would have heard, but Father Bob McDougall now with the Lord started the program perhaps 25 years ago, then Father Bob Beddard, cant remember the new Fathers name at the moment.

Also it sounds like you still have it in your mind that I was saying something like Christians are not supposed to work to spread the Gospel? I never said any such thing, just that works have nothing to do with salvation, but come after salvation.

Catholicism,protestantism,religion or works will not save 1 person.

The precious blood of Christ is the only thing that brings Salvation.

Now in some respects I think we are speaking at cross Purposes. The Body of Christ is not just Catholics. I am not sure where you got this idea that The Body Of Christ,and the great commission to preach the Gospel to every creature, was not discussed in Non Catholic Churches, it certainly is spoken of in my Church.

The entire purpose of my Church is to lead as many people to Christ as possible.

Thank You for the discussion :)

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