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The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About The Obama Administration

[Wuli]

“But after he did, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.”

Legally, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains could not, without violating their rights, tell the Catholic chaplains that they could not READ the letter.

By trying to decide what they cannot read, the Chief of Chaplains exceeded his legal authority and attempted to control what they think and to prejudge what their behavior might be due to what he judged as wrong thinking.

He knows what all chaplains know. We may try to live by moral rules and we may seek for moral rules to decide our actions and behavior. We are also earthly bound to the rules of our secular authorities. We know there are consequences from both the moral authority, G-d, and the secular authority. When and if we cannot satisfy both, we know we will, in the end, satisfy one and accept the consequences from the other; asking for the mercy of both. Chaplains already understand this, as their daily lives as chaplains are filled with examples of it, for themselves and for all the men and women in the military they serve.

That is all he needed to remind the chaplains of. He is the one who presumed the response of the Catholic chaplains would be both political and contrary to the military rules of the chaplains, because HE apparently has his own, political, disagreement with what was said in the letter he did not want them to read.

[FreedomPoster]

Jerry Pournelle had some interesting comments on this move by Obama concerning Catholic institutions:

“Some years ago the California legislature contemplated a law that would require any hospital that had a maternity ward to perform abortions on demand.

The elderly Mother Superior who ran St. Joseph’s hospital went to the legislature and said as follows:

I am as abbess of the order that owns this hospital a corporation sole, and I own this hospital. If you pass this law I will send all the patients to other hospitals, discharge the staff, cancel all the insurance policies, and order the demolition of all the buildings. Thank you.

Now she was very much of the Old School, and no one doubted she meant every word of it. The law never got to the floor of the assembly. I have no idea what President Obama thinks he is doing here, but I cannot see how this will help him be reelected.”

From here:
http://jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=5308
towards the bottom.

Obama has tweaked the Catholics because he and his people think it great fun. I don’t think they understand what they have done to themselves. At least I hope I am right about this, not being a Catholic. But my take is that this may wake up a lot of always-voted-Dem old school Catholics.

[BulletBobCo]

http://www.armytimes.com/community/ask_lawyer/military_askthelawyer_070827w/

Interesting article.

[G Larry]

“...seditious against the Commander-in-Chief..”

We could use more of that....

[Repeat Offender]

The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About The Obama Administration

13 years and I have yet to hear a Chaplain say "Jesus" at an invocation. Just "god" whoever that may be.

It isn't just the 0 admin....this has been going on for quite some time.

[familyop]

The UCMJ (military law) doesn’t allow military officers to criticize the Commander-in-Chief. ...learned that when Clinton was in office. We enlisted types had the duty of doing all of the complaining about the Pres. back then. ;-)

[DTogo]

Military officers swear an Oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United StatesI against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

They do not take an oath to obey politicians and/or orders that violate the Constitution.

[Caipirabob]

Fag-i-fied military leadership...

[A Navy Vet]

While I have no problem with contraception nor sterilization, I do have a problem with abortion. Let's take this down to most simple components:

1. Humankind is the best thing this planet has seen in the known universe, not to mention right here on this rock;
2. Humankind starts when the sperm impregnates the egg and starts to divide with particular DNA, chromosomes, genes, etc. Before that, the egg and sperm are little more than bacteria;
3. People argue when a fetus is viable. I say at the time it became a fetus. Look above for when it becomes such;
4. First semester, second semester, and third semester arguments are just that - arguments for those who don't accept the concept of humans being conceived once the male sperm and the female egg combine. Sorry libs, when you're pregnant, you're pregnant, and that means this is a growing person inside you;
5. I'm sick of the religious (my god is better than your god) argument. We need to realize that a human is created by US! It's so simple. Again, when the sperm with its DNA hits the Egg DNA and starts to multiply;
6. Let's go back to the semester thing. I challenge anyone to prove to me when human life begins after conception. What's the parameters? When the cells start to divide? What? Two, 20, 5,000, a million, a billions? When the heart starts beating (that's early)? When the brain forms to recognize sounds (as proven by studies)? When it is viable enough to exist outside the body? What? When? What week? Tell me.

None of you have no idea in your selfish simplistic thinking when a human becomes a human.

I know many are going read this and pray that I find religion in this debate, sorry, I'm an agnostic so that's a non-starter.

What I do know is that the human race is the best thing ever seen. While I hope there is something more, I believe that to kill an innocent human in the womb is probably the most atrocious act humanity can do. We fight brutal wars against each other, but at least that is men/women against each other who have fighting chance. A fetus in the womb has NO chance, I repeat, NO chance to fight for its existence.

For the liberal/progressive/greenie/Gaia types who don't get the above, think of pushing a knife in the head of a puppy-dog just before it comes out (as in late term abortions - would love to watch the horror of PETA if they actually saw that). Or, think of doing THAT to a baby seal that gets NO chance to even exist.

You liberal/progressive/socialist/commies are the bain of mankind. You claim you're supporting Planned Parenthood for the better of women, but somewhere down inside you know you are killing human beings.

Abortion is inhumane, period.

[cookcounty]

I’m not catholic, but this has nothing to do with “being catholic” it’s about religious freedom, specifically the First Sentence of the First Amendment.

Without religious freedom, you have NO freedom. Shame on this government.

[LucyT]

The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About The 0_bomination Administration

Article, then Pastor Martin Niemöller's quote at # 2.

Another version:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

"Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

"Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

"Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me. "

[narses]

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[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

I’m Jewish but I think I’ve found some useful information for my Catholic friends.

*The anti-Christ lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, DC

*Two “fallen angels” who are aiding the anti-Christ are Catholics - Nancy Pelosi (ne D’Alessandro) and “Leon Panetta”.
I think it is time for some old time “excommunicating”, and maybe an good exorcism thrown in for safety.

*Obama’s former Christian church was that of Rev. Jeremiah Wright (Chicago Trinity Church). However, since Wright has been both a Christian, a marxist (liberation theology) and fan of Castro, as well as a buddy of Christian-hating Louis Farrakhan, I think I’ve found the real name of his church.

It’s the “I Hate Whitey Church of Marxist Liberation and Reparations”, based on the teachings of the Right Marxist Rev. James Cone and Prof. “I Hate Whitey” Charles Ogletree, among others.

And a couple of the rabbis in Chicago who support(ed) Obama were hardcore leftists in their own right (this is the only time we can ever use the word “right” when referring to them).

* Obama supporter and nutty Catholic priest Flieger comes from a long line of marxist Catholics starting with the Berrigan Brothers up through Rev. James Groppi (Milwaukee), the avowedly pro-Viet Cong activist, renegade Catholic theologian Harvey Cox, marxist Sister Rosemary Reuther, and Webber, etc.

As we say in Yiddish, this is one Mishuganah (crazy) bunch of reds, black extremists and anti-Christ white Catholics.

Where is the inquisition now that we have a real need for one?

[Tzimisce]

I believe the Catholic Vote went Obama in 2008.

I’ll try to act surprised when it goes Obama again in 2012.

[little jeremiah]

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More about the Army Catholic chaplains being told what they can't say. Fortunately some of them said the forbidden things anyway. Oh, and if anyone thinks that the abominable administration will stop at violating the free speech and religious freedoms of Army Catholic chaplains, you need a bucket of cold water dashed in your face to wake you up.

[redgolum]

Not judging any priest for this, but if the Military says you have to go against your faith to stay a chaplain, then you tell the Military no.

I can see why an individual would feel they had to comply with the fedgov, but you have to decide who you are going to serve.